Efra1 Posted June 22, 2009 Share #1 Posted June 22, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi, can somebody tell me something about this? a 90 elmarit-M whit a serial number 0000002, Why this low serial number?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted June 22, 2009 Posted June 22, 2009 Hi Efra1, Take a look here Low serial number.... I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
SteveYork Posted June 22, 2009 Share #2 Posted June 22, 2009 Sounds like a prototype to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Efra1 Posted June 22, 2009 Author Share #3 Posted June 22, 2009 Can be a pre-serie ? If this is a prototype, the price is more high that in a normal 90 Elmarit-M ?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 22, 2009 Share #4 Posted June 22, 2009 It can't be anything else but a prototype. Production lenses never are numbered this way. You are sitting on a collectors item. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doubice Posted June 23, 2009 Share #5 Posted June 23, 2009 Can you post a photo of the front of the lens (filter mount), where the original lens engraving is? Best, Jan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted June 23, 2009 Share #6 Posted June 23, 2009 Join Doubice in his request for a front view: "000000x" numbers were typical of prototypes, indeed, but usually they were engraved in lieu of the normal s/n... and I seem to remember that the Elmarit-M 90 was NOT built in the variant with the s/n on side of the barrel instead of front ring (Tele Elmarit 90 was, on the contrary) so we are all very curios to look at what is engraved on the front ring. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Efra1 Posted June 23, 2009 Author Share #7 Posted June 23, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Ok, tonight at home I´ll make a picture of the front ring, but I remember that it is all black, I mean, Nothing engraved in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Efra1 Posted June 23, 2009 Author Share #8 Posted June 23, 2009 Here you can see 4 more pics, as you can see there is no engraving in the front ring. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted June 23, 2009 Share #9 Posted June 23, 2009 WOW !!! Marked "LEITZ" on the barrel only .... it's definitely a rare prototype, I'd say... I'm not 100% sure, but I think this Elmarit, in its standard finishing has always been marked "Leica". Of course, I would be a lot curios to know how and from who you got in possession of this lens... but it's an unfair question within collectors... Isn't there any "made in..." engraving ? The "barrel engraving" was someway a "Ontario trademark".... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Efra1 Posted June 23, 2009 Author Share #10 Posted June 23, 2009 LENS MADE IN GERMANY That is the engravin text in the barrel. The way I found the lens.. well that is a good question Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpattison Posted June 24, 2009 Share #11 Posted June 24, 2009 Doesn't the shape look like the R Elmarit? Have they used the R barrel to develop the M version? John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 24, 2009 Share #12 Posted June 24, 2009 Another small detail. The correction numbers on the focussing barrel read "00" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Efra1 Posted June 24, 2009 Author Share #13 Posted June 24, 2009 The "oo" is like the INFINITY FOCUS, I think so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 24, 2009 Share #14 Posted June 24, 2009 No, those numbers indicate the real focal length, as created by the tolerances. The infinity symbol is left of the m, these are always on the other side. It means the focal length of this particular lens is exactly 90 mm and thus at the absolute minimum of the tolerance span. It suggests to me that this is a reference lens, used in the factory by QC to check other lenses against. That would also explain the location of the 0000002, as it would be readable with the lens standing on a shelf. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Efra1 Posted June 24, 2009 Author Share #15 Posted June 24, 2009 No, those numbers indicate the real focal length, as created by the tolerances. The infinity symbol is left of the m, these are always on the other side. It means the focal length of this particular lens is exactly 90 mm and thus at the absolute minimum of the tolerance span. It suggests to me that this is a reference lens, used in the factory by QC to check other lenses against.That would also explain the location of the 0000002, as it would be readable with the lens standing on a shelf. WOW, so if this is a refence lens, that can make this particular lens "better" than regular lens productions?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted June 24, 2009 Share #16 Posted June 24, 2009 No, those numbers indicate the real focal length, as created by the tolerances. The infinity symbol is left of the m, these are always on the other side. It means the focal length of this particular lens is exactly 90 mm and thus at the absolute minimum of the tolerance span. It suggests to me that this is a reference lens, used in the factory by QC to check other lenses against.That would also explain the location of the 0000002, as it would be readable with the lens standing on a shelf. Very good hipotesis... in some way, I am not convinced this is a prototype/test... your explanation of a "internal use" item could be the right one, indeed... I remember that, years ago I saw in the Italian official repair lab some lenses used for reference for items that had to be recalibrated (I saw a Summicron 50 made for this purpose... but do not remember the engravings). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Efra1 Posted June 24, 2009 Author Share #17 Posted June 24, 2009 So, normal producctions lens did not have this numbers engraved? I´m loocking all may lens now I know the special character of the lens, but this numbers are new for me. This numbers are only engraved in specials use lens? Thanks for you help. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 24, 2009 Share #18 Posted June 24, 2009 Very good hipotesis... in some way, I am not convinced this is a prototype/test... your explanation of a "internal use" item could be the right one, indeed... I remember that, years ago I saw in the Italian official repair lab some lenses used for reference for items that had to be recalibrated (I saw a Summicron 50 made for this purpose... but do not remember the engravings). The use of reference lenses is well documented; it was standard procedure in Wetzlar. Every lens shipped was checked against one of these lenses. The more I think about it, the more I am convinced this is an example. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted June 25, 2009 Share #19 Posted June 25, 2009 So, normal producctions lens did not have this numbers engraved?I´m loocking all may lens now I know the special character of the lens, but this numbers are new for me. This numbers are only engraved in specials use lens? Thanks for you help. Yes, such numbers "0000x" are completely out of standard, so as the absence of engravings on the front ring... THIS is a standard Elmarit-M 90: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/88755-low-serial-number/?do=findComment&comment=943619'>More sharing options...
Efra1 Posted June 26, 2009 Author Share #20 Posted June 26, 2009 Thanks to all for the helps in this lens identification, so I must suppouse that all the lens whit the 00 Focal Lenghs are specials one, I have seen some of my stuff an can see a lot of Summicrome 50 whit diferent numbers, also the Summilux 50 have a 05... My 75 Lux 1ºVersion has also a 00 code. this give something special to this lens? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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