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Of course it's gonna take a bite at the M8 - it's available in white, isn't it?

 

Actually, I was at dpreview to look into the more traditional Olympus DSLRs as a way to get a cheap, small, adequate 200-400 telephoto camera. Planning to buy used so wanted to see the older reviews.

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Small sensor in a compact with interchangeable lens? What are you talking about¡¡. Not only take a bit at m8, take a bit all Leica market. It´s just what Leica must have done. I hope they still make some lenses.

I understand some of you prefer don´t take a look out at this forum, but seriosly: truth is out there :D

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Four thirds format is a serious system ... have you actually read Jonathan Eastland's article British Journal of Photography - Lens-friendly micro where he states a 20 inch wide enlargement at 300 PPI made using the 50mm Summicron R on the G1 held its own against images on 6x6 format?

 

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dunk

 

DK--you're not understanding me, sorry.

 

I'm not at all saying the images out of this camera won't be good. And I'm sure the new Oly zooms will be very good indeed. And Oly--if anyone--will do wonderful things with micro 4/3

 

But with a doubling crop factor (yikes! Where's my Leica 35 mm? What? Use the new 18? LOL!?) and no viewfinder, it's not a serious system for anything I would use an M8, DMR (or S2) for, one of which reason has to be to use Leica's superb glass to the best of its abilities :)

 

This is not upsetting any status quo either. I just don't know many pros or serious amateurs who would use, say, an R Summicron on something like this when they can get a used 5d, say, for much less money and get focus confirmation, the true full-frame character of the lens, and every bit as good or better image quality.

 

IOW, this particular camera is nice retro-looking camera, but it's not an RF, it's not a dSLR and despite the whole promise of micro 4/3 with Leica R glass is more of a vanity item (or, as I said before, a giggle) than anything else.

 

PS: As a very serious postscript this--or anything like this--had better NOT be the "satisfactory" method of using R glass mentioned recently by Leica. After using a DMR, I want a *better* solution, not a half-a**ed, half-sensored solution. I'd hate to give Canon money Leica could probably use.

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Small sensor in a compact with interchangeable lens? What are you talking about¡¡. Not only take a bit at m8, take a bit all Leica market. It´s just what Leica must have done. I hope they still make some lenses.

I understand some of you prefer don´t take a look out at this forum, but seriosly: truth is out there :D

 

No no no--Leica's sensors aren't that small (so there's only a 1.33x crop factor), but even there it's a shame I can't use my Summilux R 50 as a 50 except on a Canon. I * have* a perfectly good R 100 APO though; I don't need the Lux to be an effective 100mm crop.

 

I take it you've never shot one of Leica's current (or late-lamented) serious digitals?

 

Or are we talking about taking a bite out of the "Panaleica" market? If so, it's a ho hum for me.

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Using Leica lenses (M or R) on cropped sensors is a waste of precious Leica glass.

 

That's been point against the M8 but it is far worse for 4/3 cameras. On an M8 you waste 43% of the image area, on a 4/3 camera it is 75%.

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Looking at the title statement it's probably questionable, and, after reading this thread it's obvious that some will stick with their M8 come hell or high water.

Fair enough, but maybe the D-Lux 4 is the camera the Pen will be taking a bite from. Personally, I'd rather wait until some tests and reviews come along, rather than just batter the thing based on specifications.

However, at first glance the package has some potential in the 'serious compact' category, and depending on how it performs, could be in consideration as the successor to my D-Lux 3.

Did Leica maybe leave the door open just a tad, by not making the D-Lux 4 a compelling upgrade from the 3? - time will tell.

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Some Leica M users have not started using their M and LTM lenses digitally because they cannot afford to purchase an M8 even at used price level. For these M users any MFT camera offers a means of utilizing their M lenses and at approx. one quarter to one third the cost of a used M8 body. When magazines commence testing the E-P1 they will probably use some M lenses especially as there appear to be so few MFT lenses available.

 

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dunk

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I'm certainly not abandoning the M8, there is no 'adequate' replacement in sight, neither bei Leica nor by any other manufacturer. Sometimes it would be nice to have second, smaller system with interchangeable lenses, ideally also taking M-lenses.

 

The idea is for Leica to make a Summilux with a smaller image circle for the 4/3 system. This could be much smaller and less expensive compared to a M-lens.

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Also totally agree, but given the entrance ticket to the M8 world, some of us just need to keep caressing our D2/LC1. In the absence of any successor there seems no option right now but to thole the thumbwheel and menus of our alternate(s). Maybe by version 4 of the G1 or Pen, all the boxes you've listed will be ticked?

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John, I couldn't agree with you more!

 

The sad things is, no one ever asked for it... yet it's been shoved down people's throats... and we've now got a generation of new users growing up with it.

 

I don't like to sound like someone who opposes change, because I'm not. I just don't like change that is counter-intuitive. We seem to be living in an age that is driven by designers of technology, computers and software whose prime motivation is "I wonder if we... or, I bet we could..." and user acceptance be damned. We did it and this is what you getting.

 

As an example... I give you Microsoft Word - "but I just want to type a letter..." Yes, but would you like your own letter head with that? And what font(s).... how big.... would you like to have left justified, right justified of full justified type? And how would you like that hyphenated?

 

Where's my damn Underwood? LOL

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