rob_x2004 Posted June 16, 2009 Share #61 Posted June 16, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) ...it uses the same sensor as the E620, which I happen to own.... Is there a lot of space between the image quality from the 620 files and the LX3 files? Or is one just a bit better than the other and if one wont do the other struggles too? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted June 16, 2009 Posted June 16, 2009 Hi rob_x2004, Take a look here Olympus take a bite at the m8. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
adan Posted June 17, 2009 Share #62 Posted June 17, 2009 Of course it's gonna take a bite at the M8 - it's available in white, isn't it? Actually, I was at dpreview to look into the more traditional Olympus DSLRs as a way to get a cheap, small, adequate 200-400 telephoto camera. Planning to buy used so wanted to see the older reviews. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enrique Santa Posted June 17, 2009 Share #63 Posted June 17, 2009 Small sensor in a compact with interchangeable lens? What are you talking about¡¡. Not only take a bit at m8, take a bit all Leica market. It´s just what Leica must have done. I hope they still make some lenses. I understand some of you prefer don´t take a look out at this forum, but seriosly: truth is out there Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted June 17, 2009 Share #64 Posted June 17, 2009 Just in case this hasn't already been posted... Olympus E-P1 Pen gets Will it Blend? treatment Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StS Posted June 17, 2009 Share #65 Posted June 17, 2009 Sorry, I had to unsubscribe the Hessenpark meeting - did someone from Leica comment, why they found the four-thirds system disappointing? Stefan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted June 17, 2009 Share #66 Posted June 17, 2009 Stefan, the reason they gave was the sensor size. There's a summary of what was said here... http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/customer-forum/89591-summary-q-session-stefan-daniel-during.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StS Posted June 17, 2009 Share #67 Posted June 17, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Thank you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted June 17, 2009 Share #68 Posted June 17, 2009 Four thirds format is a serious system ... have you actually read Jonathan Eastland's article British Journal of Photography - Lens-friendly micro where he states a 20 inch wide enlargement at 300 PPI made using the 50mm Summicron R on the G1 held its own against images on 6x6 format? Cheers dunk DK--you're not understanding me, sorry. I'm not at all saying the images out of this camera won't be good. And I'm sure the new Oly zooms will be very good indeed. And Oly--if anyone--will do wonderful things with micro 4/3 But with a doubling crop factor (yikes! Where's my Leica 35 mm? What? Use the new 18? LOL!?) and no viewfinder, it's not a serious system for anything I would use an M8, DMR (or S2) for, one of which reason has to be to use Leica's superb glass to the best of its abilities This is not upsetting any status quo either. I just don't know many pros or serious amateurs who would use, say, an R Summicron on something like this when they can get a used 5d, say, for much less money and get focus confirmation, the true full-frame character of the lens, and every bit as good or better image quality. IOW, this particular camera is nice retro-looking camera, but it's not an RF, it's not a dSLR and despite the whole promise of micro 4/3 with Leica R glass is more of a vanity item (or, as I said before, a giggle) than anything else. PS: As a very serious postscript this--or anything like this--had better NOT be the "satisfactory" method of using R glass mentioned recently by Leica. After using a DMR, I want a *better* solution, not a half-a**ed, half-sensored solution. I'd hate to give Canon money Leica could probably use. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted June 17, 2009 Share #69 Posted June 17, 2009 Small sensor in a compact with interchangeable lens? What are you talking about¡¡. Not only take a bit at m8, take a bit all Leica market. It´s just what Leica must have done. I hope they still make some lenses. I understand some of you prefer don´t take a look out at this forum, but seriosly: truth is out there No no no--Leica's sensors aren't that small (so there's only a 1.33x crop factor), but even there it's a shame I can't use my Summilux R 50 as a 50 except on a Canon. I * have* a perfectly good R 100 APO though; I don't need the Lux to be an effective 100mm crop. I take it you've never shot one of Leica's current (or late-lamented) serious digitals? Or are we talking about taking a bite out of the "Panaleica" market? If so, it's a ho hum for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chkphoto Posted June 18, 2009 Share #70 Posted June 18, 2009 I can't take too seriously a camera that comes without any lens shades (except P&S's). Maybe I've missed it, but I haven't seen one for the two lenses Olympus offers in any review. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StS Posted June 18, 2009 Share #71 Posted June 18, 2009 Who cares? I would expect Leica to integrate one, when making a Summilux for (micro)4/3. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
guidomo Posted June 18, 2009 Share #72 Posted June 18, 2009 Using Leica lenses (M or R) on cropped sensors is a waste of precious Leica glass. That's been point against the M8 but it is far worse for 4/3 cameras. On an M8 you waste 43% of the image area, on a 4/3 camera it is 75%. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lesh Posted June 18, 2009 Share #73 Posted June 18, 2009 Looking at the title statement it's probably questionable, and, after reading this thread it's obvious that some will stick with their M8 come hell or high water. Fair enough, but maybe the D-Lux 4 is the camera the Pen will be taking a bite from. Personally, I'd rather wait until some tests and reviews come along, rather than just batter the thing based on specifications. However, at first glance the package has some potential in the 'serious compact' category, and depending on how it performs, could be in consideration as the successor to my D-Lux 3. Did Leica maybe leave the door open just a tad, by not making the D-Lux 4 a compelling upgrade from the 3? - time will tell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted June 18, 2009 Share #74 Posted June 18, 2009 Some Leica M users have not started using their M and LTM lenses digitally because they cannot afford to purchase an M8 even at used price level. For these M users any MFT camera offers a means of utilizing their M lenses and at approx. one quarter to one third the cost of a used M8 body. When magazines commence testing the E-P1 they will probably use some M lenses especially as there appear to be so few MFT lenses available. Cheers dunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StS Posted June 18, 2009 Share #75 Posted June 18, 2009 I'm certainly not abandoning the M8, there is no 'adequate' replacement in sight, neither bei Leica nor by any other manufacturer. Sometimes it would be nice to have second, smaller system with interchangeable lenses, ideally also taking M-lenses. The idea is for Leica to make a Summilux with a smaller image circle for the 4/3 system. This could be much smaller and less expensive compared to a M-lens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Thawley Posted June 19, 2009 Share #76 Posted June 19, 2009 EP-1 and what I think. Who Decided The Scrolling Wheel Cursor Was The Be-All,End-All? - Journal - Motorsports Photographer ~ John Thawley :: Photography of American Le Mans, Grand Am, SPEED World Challenge Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted June 19, 2009 Share #77 Posted June 19, 2009 John, I couldn't agree with you more! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJP Posted June 19, 2009 Share #78 Posted June 19, 2009 + 1 I can deal with camara menus if I have to - I can even deal with a Nikon coolpix 4500. Deal with that and quantum chromo dynamics is like falling of a log. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lesh Posted June 19, 2009 Share #79 Posted June 19, 2009 EP-1 and what I think. Who Decided The Scrolling Wheel Cursor Was The Be-All,End-All? - Journal - Motorsports Photographer ~ John Thawley :: Photography of American Le Mans, Grand Am, SPEED World Challenge Also totally agree, but given the entrance ticket to the M8 world, some of us just need to keep caressing our D2/LC1. In the absence of any successor there seems no option right now but to thole the thumbwheel and menus of our alternate(s). Maybe by version 4 of the G1 or Pen, all the boxes you've listed will be ticked? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Thawley Posted June 19, 2009 Share #80 Posted June 19, 2009 John, I couldn't agree with you more! The sad things is, no one ever asked for it... yet it's been shoved down people's throats... and we've now got a generation of new users growing up with it. I don't like to sound like someone who opposes change, because I'm not. I just don't like change that is counter-intuitive. We seem to be living in an age that is driven by designers of technology, computers and software whose prime motivation is "I wonder if we... or, I bet we could..." and user acceptance be damned. We did it and this is what you getting. As an example... I give you Microsoft Word - "but I just want to type a letter..." Yes, but would you like your own letter head with that? And what font(s).... how big.... would you like to have left justified, right justified of full justified type? And how would you like that hyphenated? Where's my damn Underwood? LOL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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