echorec Posted March 24, 2009 Share #1 Posted March 24, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hello, I just bought this camera. There are no military markings on the body, only on the lens. The seller claims that the army used the camera just like this but I have not heard of any non-black Swedish army IIIg cameras. The lens serial number is from the series for the black cameras. The camera serial number is earlier than the black ones. Have you heard of any cameras like this or do you think someone just took the lens from a black camera body and put in on a regular IIIg? Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/80370-swedish-army-three-crowns-elmar-on-regular-iiig/?do=findComment&comment=851128'>More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted March 24, 2009 Posted March 24, 2009 Hi echorec, Take a look here Swedish Army Three crowns Elmar on regular IIIg. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
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luigi bertolotti Posted March 24, 2009 Share #3 Posted March 24, 2009 Hello, I just bought this camera. ...do you think someone just took the lens from a black camera body and put in on a regular IIIg? Seems to me a reasonable hipotesis... could be that some black IIIG of the famous "3 crowns batch" has gone damaged or broken or lost... weren't they used in military environments, after all ? Elmar survived and reached the market... interesting lens, anyway... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 24, 2009 Share #4 Posted March 24, 2009 And a very nice clean body too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lars_bergquist Posted March 24, 2009 Share #5 Posted March 24, 2009 Luigi, I'll second your hypothesis. The camera is clearly a perfectly normal IIIg, and someone is trying--or has been trying--to palm it off as a military model, on the strength of the (legitimate) lens. With one mint exception, which does not seem to have been issued at all, all the admittedly few specimens of the black Three Crowns IIIg I have seen have been very well used indeed. The old man from Just That Age Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wizard Posted March 24, 2009 Share #6 Posted March 24, 2009 Lars, the chrome lens fits a chrome body better anyway . Enjoy your new combo. Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
echorec Posted March 24, 2009 Author Share #7 Posted March 24, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Thanks for the replies! So, the body was replaced as I suspected. The replacement was probably early because I have the history from early ´60s when the camera was used in the army and retired in 1980 from service. It was mostly used in the photo dept studio for staff pictures, hence the very clean condition of both camera and lens. Regards, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc_braconi Posted March 25, 2009 Share #8 Posted March 25, 2009 Gunnar, What is the s/n of the body ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
echorec Posted March 25, 2009 Author Share #9 Posted March 25, 2009 Hi JC, it´s 888496 Regards, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc_braconi Posted March 25, 2009 Share #10 Posted March 25, 2009 I will try to know where it was first time delivered. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
echorec Posted March 25, 2009 Author Share #11 Posted March 25, 2009 That is very kind of you JC. Many thanks, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lars_bergquist Posted March 25, 2009 Share #12 Posted March 25, 2009 These cameras are usually referred to as 'Army' cameras, but when I encountered them first I heard that they had actually been used by the Air Force, as hand cameras for use in the Saab A32 Lansen attack aircraft. These got into the Force at the same time as I did ... But I have never been able to confirm this. The old man from the Age of Piston Engines Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
echorec Posted March 25, 2009 Author Share #13 Posted March 25, 2009 Hello Lars, thanks for sharing that info. Mine seems to be from "Pansartruppskolan". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lars_bergquist Posted March 26, 2009 Share #14 Posted March 26, 2009 I take it that the 'info' was incorrect. If true, then there should have been more of these cameras, because aircraft hand cameras were part of the plane's equipment. The old man from the Age of Biplanes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc_braconi Posted March 30, 2009 Share #15 Posted March 30, 2009 Gunnar, what I can tell today is that, what was listed in the commercial IIIg production serial number, stops at 888495 and restart at 888501. This means that, as all the Army delivered products were not publicaly listed, as they were considered as a defense secret. So 5 IIIg, including your 888496, were delivered to the (Swedish) Army in 1958. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
echorec Posted March 30, 2009 Author Share #16 Posted March 30, 2009 Hello JC! Thanks for the news, very exciting and interesting! I got a very honest impression from the seller and this means that he was 100% correct in his description of the cameras history. Best regards, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted March 30, 2009 Share #17 Posted March 30, 2009 Wow, Gunnar ! You took an item from a really tight batch !! And "Military secret" too !!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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