billh Posted October 26, 2006 Share #1 Posted October 26, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) http://www.luminous-landscape.com/new/index.shtml October 26, 2006 I mentioned last week that my field review of the Leica M8 would appear this week. Because the M8 is such a rich product (no pun intended) testing is taking longer than I had expected, and so I now plan on publishing my full report next Monday. What I can say at the moment is that this camera is outstanding, producing some of the most remarkable image quality that I've ever seen from any camera, film or digital. Much more next week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted October 26, 2006 Posted October 26, 2006 Hi billh, Take a look here First Sean, and now Michael Reichmann -. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
marknorton Posted October 26, 2006 Share #2 Posted October 26, 2006 I was quite impressed with the LL video blogs of Photokina, Michael Reichmann is not someone to rush to judgment and I think his review will be a welcome antidote to the nay-sayers that the M8 will never fly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemeng Posted October 26, 2006 Share #3 Posted October 26, 2006 ... I think his review will be a welcome antidote to the nay-sayers that the M8 will never fly. ... or claims by a couple of loonies, on this forum in another thread, that the M8 only delivers 8-bit images padded to 16-bits (!) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted October 26, 2006 Share #4 Posted October 26, 2006 Michael and I have been discussing the M8 by phone and e-mail and I think we've come to fairly similar conclusions about it. He is really excited about this new camera. Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frc Posted October 26, 2006 Share #5 Posted October 26, 2006 Don't tell me anything about it, I want to find out what it's like when I get one in my hands. ;-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted October 26, 2006 Share #6 Posted October 26, 2006 Good news!!! Michael Reichmann likes the Leica M8: "What I can say at the moment is that this camera is outstanding, producing some of the most remarkable image quality that I've ever seen from any camera, film or digital.". ... and he works with a Hasselblad H2 with Phase One 45MP back and Canon full frame cameras... Sean Reid also expressed a very positive opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Ross Posted October 26, 2006 Share #7 Posted October 26, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) Good news!!! Michael Reichmann likes the Leica M8: "What I can say at the moment is that this camera is outstanding, producing some of the most remarkable image quality that I've ever seen from any camera, film or digital.". ... and he works with a Hasselblad H2 with Phase One 45MP back and Canon full frame cameras... Sean Reid also expressed a very positive opinion. He also has a long history of using M Leicas, so his comments on handling should be interesting, too. Bob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertwang Posted October 26, 2006 Share #8 Posted October 26, 2006 I will be excited to read the review soon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FastFashnReloaded Posted October 26, 2006 Share #9 Posted October 26, 2006 I will be excited to read the review soon. You are all being sucked into his delusion! Just kidding. It's nice to hear that a quality product can be made and purchased in the era of plastic. Video killed the radio star... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted October 26, 2006 Share #10 Posted October 26, 2006 I will be excited to read the review soon. I'll be excited to shoot the damn thing instead of staring at my lenses sit there and do nothing. I would make a terrible collector Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lesh Posted October 26, 2006 Share #11 Posted October 26, 2006 It'll certainly be interesting to read Michael's review - but at the list price it's only of academic interest, so best not to salivate too much. The more pertinent question is whether to spring for a D-Lux 3, but of course I'll still be reading the reviews of them both. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterJWhite Posted October 26, 2006 Share #12 Posted October 26, 2006 I wouldn't get too excited about anything Reichmann has to say about the M8 on his website. He's a very sloppy reviewer. For example, read his alledged comparison of the Canon 16-35L vs the Canon 17-40L. He concludes that one lens has more flare than the other at 17mm, based on two photos of the sun behind high voltage power line towers. He takes a shot with one lens, after carefully lining up the camera so that the sun is blocked by part of the tower. Then he changes lenses and takes another shot. He even makes a point of stating that he didn't move the camera between the two shots. What he doesn't realize is the fact that while he was switching lenses, the earth continues rotating on its axis, changing the relative positions of sun, lens, and power lines. Since those relative positions must be changing, any flare must be different, even if he hadn't made a lens change. Given his sloppy testing procedures, I think you should read anything on his site with a large grain of salt. Here's the "Ludicrous" test. 16 vs 17 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted October 26, 2006 Share #13 Posted October 26, 2006 I'll be excited to shoot the damn thing instead of staring at my lenses sit there and do nothing. I would make a terrible collector Guy, Go grab a film RF and start playing. Cheers, S Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted October 26, 2006 Share #14 Posted October 26, 2006 I wouldn't get too excited about anything Reichmann has to say about the M8 on his website. He's a very sloppy reviewer. For example, read his alledged comparison of the Canon 16-35L vs the Canon 17-40L. Well, heck, no one is perfect but Michael's thoughts on the M8 certainly will be worth reading and considering. Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrc Posted October 26, 2006 Share #15 Posted October 26, 2006 I'll read the LL review -- they're especially good on real-world photography -- but to tell you the truth, I'm really tired of this, and I'm tired of being told to be patient. I don't care if the camera is a quarter-inch better than a D200 and a quarter-inch less than a 5D, I just want to get the blinkin' camera and get on with it. JC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterJWhite Posted October 26, 2006 Share #16 Posted October 26, 2006 Well, heck, no one is perfect but Michael's thoughts on the M8 certainly will be worth reading and considering. Sean Why would his thoughts be worth reading and considering? If he isn't competent enough to compare two lenses, how could he possibly be competent enough to compare the M8 with other cameras? If Reichmann was to say that the M8 is better than the "Q39" based on some measurement of some characteristic, how can we know that Reichmann made an accurate measurement? He couldn't do a simple thing like ensure that there were no uncontrolled factors when comparing those two lenses. Why should we expect him to do any better in the far more complex testing of digital cameras? The images produced by a camera are the sum of an enormous number of variables. And those variables must be equalized so that we can know that any differences in the final images are due only to the cameras themselves. That seems like a pretty tall order for someone as careless as Reichmann. I'm not expecting perfection. "Reasonably competent" would be a huge step in the right direction for him. But given his extremely defensive responses whenever any of his mistakes have been pointed out, I don't expect any improvement in the near future. Let the reader beware! ;-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted October 26, 2006 Share #17 Posted October 26, 2006 How much the Earth moves in a few seconds? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
canlogic Posted October 26, 2006 Share #18 Posted October 26, 2006 Why would his thoughts be worth reading and considering? If he isn't competent enough to compare two lenses, how could he possibly be competent enough to compare the M8 with other cameras? Let the reader beware! ;-) Perhaps his many years of working as a photographer would qualify him. He also states that he does not do technical reviews just reviews of what it is like useing a particular product. Sounds like you have a bit of a jealousy thing happening or perhaps like to spend your days shooting targets on walls. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest malland Posted October 26, 2006 Share #19 Posted October 26, 2006 How much the Earth moves in a few seconds? That's what I was thinking: is this criticism serious, that a flare test is affected by the movement of the earth in the few seconds it takes to change a lens? My view on Reichmann is that I don't trust his eyes ever since a few years ago he first tested the Epson 1270 printer and declared that was so good that it produced neutral B&W "straight out of the box"; then said the same about the 1280 and then something similar about the 2200. In fact, none of these prints could consistent neutral B&W unless one used a RIP like ImagePrint. (By way of background, at that time I had a Fuji Pictrography 4000 and was corresonding with Bruce Fraser, co-author if "Real World Photoshop, who, for his own education, was trying to make a profile for my printer. He concluded that it was impossible to make a profile for a color printer at that time that would give neutral B&W for all images. For the Epson printers it was only with the x8xx series and the ABW system that one could achieve this straight out of the box.) On Reichmann's thin skin: at that time I was following a discussion on the LL forum of one of his equipment tests. After a couple of mistakes or misconceptions were pointed out by a poster, Reichmann wrote that he had no time for this type of thing and was going out to take pictures. Now, while there are is interesting information in many of Reichmann's new equipment reviews, I would not trust his judgment. For me, he does not have the credibility that Sean has. —Mitch/Bangkok Flickr: Photos from Mitch Alland Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevenrk Posted October 26, 2006 Share #20 Posted October 26, 2006 Perhaps his many years of working as a photographer would qualify him. He also states that he does not do technical reviews just reviews of what it is like useing a particular product. Well said. MR writes some of the most personal, thought provoking, and honest -- agree or disagree -- reviews. period. And he backs them up with images that speak for themselves. Edit ABr Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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