billh Posted October 25, 2006 Share #41 Posted October 25, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) Yes, it's the same firmware and I certainly was allowed to publish example files and discuss them. Cheers, Sean Thank you Sean (shouldn’t you be sleeping?). Andy, would you mind asking the people who told you to delete the link to explain their rational to their customers? The fact they persist in this ‘look, but don’t touch’ demand without any explanation makes their behavior doubly annoying and frustrating. Thanks, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted October 25, 2006 Posted October 25, 2006 Hi billh, Take a look here DNG M8 files on-line. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
bradreiman Posted October 25, 2006 Share #42 Posted October 25, 2006 my question is did Leica actually ask this forum to edit posts or are the moderators taking this liberty for some strange reason. leica has released several photos and sanctioned the release of many photos from the m8. other photography forums are releasing photos from the m8 yet this forum seems to be stifling the release of images. whats up guys? it seems like you guys are acting like some over zealous hall monitors. you're just a moderator on a web forum not leicas secret service. if leica has asked you to delete posts i will understand your position, if not i think you are taking liberties that are outside the spirit of the internet and internet forums in general. cheers...b Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted October 25, 2006 Share #43 Posted October 25, 2006 Thank you Sean (shouldn’t you be sleeping?). Bill Thanks Bill <G> I'll get to bed at a decent hour tonight. Cheers, S Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted October 25, 2006 Share #44 Posted October 25, 2006 Ok--no more comments from me until the embargo is lifted. But I'm starved for images. For some reason, I can't log into Sean R's site (I wrote down my username and pwd incorrectly... D'oh!!), so I'll just have to wait, I guess, until Leica releases some files... ANYWAY, Scott--what in heck is the JFI yellow #1 profile for C1? I like it, but I've never heard of it...Care to elaborate? Are these the monochrome + yellow filters provided by Phase One? JFI sells profiles for b/w conversion (generic) in C1for less than $20, if I recall. Google "JFI Labs" and you should be able to find them. And when you get your RR login fixed up, Sean has more to say about them. The set offers plain conversion plus red, orange, yellow, green etc filters in four strengths. You put the filters into the same directory that an ETC profile would go, and uncheck the box in the color management dialog that says "show only Phase One profiles" (since this isn't). scott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted October 25, 2006 Share #45 Posted October 25, 2006 Bradley I have been advised by an M8 tester with a "red telephone line" to Solms that, quote: "that they do not want to see RAW-files and even JPEGS with EXIFs or even a note "made with M8" until the camera is on the market (at the dealers and to buy)". That seemed to be to be a pretty clear guide to me. If beta testers or reviewers choose to post on third party sites, notwithstanding any NDA that they have signed with Leica, then that's their own concern, and potentially, that of their lawyers. But for the forum, (sponsored and supported by the company that has specifically asked that these images are not shown, don't forget), to show pictures and all the EXIF information, would be both discourteous and potentially damaging to the long term viability of the site. I know that many people here want to see and play with M8 RAW files and pick over the EXIF and all that. In a few short weeks, the first purchasers in the queue will be receiving the cameras in their hands. Then, I am sure that Leica will be delighted for them to share the images and the EXIF data with everyone who cares to look. If the quality of some of the images that we have seen over the last few days is anything to go by, I think that these people are going to be delighted with their purchases. My understanding is that, until then, as far as this forum is concerned, and unless advised otherwise, we will just have to be patient. You may not agree with this position, I am sure that you understand. Don't forget that Leica take a close interest in this forum and were generous enough to allow Andreas to show the first official pictures of the M8 before it's launch. They value what goes on here. In order for there to be a definitive statement from Andreas, rather than a "mere" moderator, I will ask him if he can make a definitive statement on this issue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpo Posted October 25, 2006 Author Share #46 Posted October 25, 2006 I apologize for having published some files without an official approval from Leica. I published the files in good faith and unfortunately I was not aware of an NDA. Regards Roberto Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradreiman Posted October 25, 2006 Share #47 Posted October 25, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) im not trying to be a "troll" or whatever. i understand your concern andy and if thats what leica wants i get it. im just not sure thats what leica wants. if its andreas that has the red phone i accept it. if its someone other than andreas i would wonder their intent as the nda's have expired. im know you're being a good moderator and i think you've done the job gloriously well. sort of like a goof ref in soccer (football) when he has control of the match its always a better match. just seems odd. if the red phone guy is a reviewer i would be very suspect......b Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasticman Posted October 25, 2006 Share #48 Posted October 25, 2006 Hmmm... at the risk of being banned, and at the very least of behaving discourteously towards a forum-sponsor that i respect and admire - i'd have to say that, for those of us at the front of various queues around the world with $5k at stake on a camera that we're only allowed to look at from a distance, it would actually be nice to see what sort of [whisper] pictures [\whisper] the d*rn thing actually takes. If Leica want this to be a secret until we've actually handed over the $$$, well... (btw - i might just add that some of the images i've seen are TOTALLY awesome. I was just over on another forum and jaapv has posted a 100% crop of an image that's been taken with errrm a 'certain' camera - and the detail just blew me over... again!) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted October 25, 2006 Share #49 Posted October 25, 2006 "that they do not want to see RAW-files and even JPEGS with EXIFs or even a note "made with M8" until the camera is on the market (at the dealers and to buy)". I understand that, but it does beg the question (yet again :-) of why they have allowed Sean to publish images on his website. As you suggest, perhaps an official statement from Leica and/or Andreas would be in order. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradreiman Posted October 25, 2006 Share #50 Posted October 25, 2006 or is it a reviewer with the "red phone line" or andreas?-simple question. in another forum a "tester/reviewer" was determined not to have such a claimed red phone. are we being duped or what? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrej Kolev Posted October 25, 2006 Share #51 Posted October 25, 2006 According to chip specs in has a serious improvements if compared to DMR (in saturation level and noise). Also absence of AA filter (if it present) will give high detail level. It would be interesting to compare chip specs with specs of DSLRs. ----------------------------------------- Andrej Kolev , kolevraw.com Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
graham_mitchell Posted October 25, 2006 Share #52 Posted October 25, 2006 If someone posts their own M8 DNG file and they were not in breach of a NDA and they own the copyright to the image, then they are certainly doing nothing illegal or committing a civil wrng. Having said that, the forum managers/owners can really do what they want - it's their forum - and they have already made it clear that they are bowing to Leica's request. Nothing wrong with that. I'm sure there are DNG files floating around somewhere else on the net. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted October 25, 2006 Share #53 Posted October 25, 2006 Jamie, E-mail me. We can sort out your log-in. Also on the site is the review of the JFI profiles which is where Scott learned about them. Scott, That was an excellent tip you gave about using the yellow filter. Cheers, Sean Sean--thanks! I've emailed you at your web site email address! Maybe you can give us a hint as to whether the JFI profiles are better than the Phase One supplied monochrome profiles with the M8? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted October 25, 2006 Share #54 Posted October 25, 2006 Hi, Jamie, you might as well give a shot to Power Retouche's B/W Studio PS plugin ... it offers more options and all the "free-style" control. Black and white conversion software - a digital darkroom in a photoshop plugin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted October 25, 2006 Share #55 Posted October 25, 2006 I've used the Power Retouche plugin for some time and have been very happy with it. A better solution than the Fred Miranda alternative IMHO as it doesn't flatten any existing layers when it runs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted October 25, 2006 Share #56 Posted October 25, 2006 I've used the Power Retouche plugin for some time and have been very happy with it. A better solution than the Fred Miranda alternative IMHO as it doesn't flatten any existing layers when it runs. Hey Simon, Steve--thanks for the pointer... I'll try it out. In Photoshop, I've actually been using something called "Convert to BW Pro" which has a set of film-like looks, as well as a darkroom metaphor (paper contrast levels, for example) that I like when doing BW. It doesn't look as full-featured as Power Retouche, though. But--the Phase One profiles mentioned--like the JFI profiles--are applied to the RAW image at conversion time, not to a TIFF or JPEG after transform. As such, they can actually give you a cleaner image, or a different look, because you can do things like play with WB and such, which is hard to do after the convert. Also, if I can avoid PS (well, except for automated things like output sharpening), then I will--I don't ever use it to print, so this is one less trip into PS for me, potentially Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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