krabat Posted March 25, 2009 Share #21 Posted March 25, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) I wonder how many who discuss about August September summer autumn etc. will really buy the S2... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted March 25, 2009 Posted March 25, 2009 Hi krabat, Take a look here Is the S2 dead?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
andybarton Posted March 25, 2009 Share #22 Posted March 25, 2009 Not me, but I am very interested to see it arrive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 25, 2009 Share #23 Posted March 25, 2009 Depends on how one defines "summer". Summer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia The "Fall" semester or quarter at most colleges I know of begins in mid-August. I usually think of it as Memorial Day (May 30) to Labor Day (average Sept. 4) - or the months the primary schools are closed. Of course, those are "Yank" holidays with no meaning in other countries. If you live in the Southern Hemisphere, Summer 2009 ended last Friday (March 20 = Equinox), and the S2 is already late. In that huge growing market of China - it better be ready by August 6 or it will be late. 8^) Actually schools and colleges in Germany (and the rest of continental Europe afaik) don't even know the semester or trimester or quarter system.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevelap Posted March 25, 2009 Share #24 Posted March 25, 2009 I wonder how many who discuss about August September summer autumn etc. will really buy the S2... Who knows, not too many I suspect. But this thread is more about Leica's ability to bring the new camera to market. Let's face it, the S2 is a very significant development and therefore of legitimate interest to all Leicaphiles. Leica themselves have spoken of the dawn of a new era and of the S2's underlying technology providing a platform for the development of future products. So I'm certainly watching with interest, if not yet loitering with intent.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted March 25, 2009 Share #25 Posted March 25, 2009 I wonder how many who discuss about August September summer autumn etc. will really buy the S2... There are many potential buyers... look at The Luminous Landscape forums... the expectation is great. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 25, 2009 Share #26 Posted March 25, 2009 Another indication that the S2 is on schedule is that Ms Maike Harberts who was development manager of the S2 has been transferred to head the R10 team. Imo that means the S2 is out of the development phase and has entered its testing program. It also means that the highest priority is being given to the developing of the R10 imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted March 25, 2009 Share #27 Posted March 25, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Another indication that the S2 is on schedule is that Ms Maike Harberts who was development manager of the S2 has been transferred to head the R10 team. Imo that means the S2 is out of the development phase and has entered its testing program. It also means that the highest priority is being given to the developing of the R10 imo. Yeah, she is making sure the R10 will have Live View The S2 looked pretty well along when I handled one last October in NY. It seemed to me they just had to finalize if they were going to add a button or two, and still needed to implement some features in the firmware. (You couldn't lock focus by pressing in on the thumb wheel.) Other than that, it seemed to AF well plus it could shoot photos and display them on the LCD. They had samples of all the lenses. It felt very nice and complete to me. So, I am guessing here, but maybe all they've had to do was tweak the way the files are processed and develop the manufacturing workflow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 25, 2009 Share #28 Posted March 25, 2009 Yeah, she is making sure the R10 will have Live View It may come as a surprise to you, but on an R10 I would like that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted March 25, 2009 Share #29 Posted March 25, 2009 Different kind of professional photographers seem to be interested. Different reasons: More Details on the Leica S2 - Luminous Landscape Forum . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlesphoto99 Posted March 25, 2009 Share #30 Posted March 25, 2009 It's all gonna come down to the reliability of the electronics in this thing. Leica has a pretty poor track record when it comes to electronics all the way back to early R's and especially their recent flagship M8. Both of my M8's have been glitch machines - not often and a quick battery reset does the job, but no where near the rock solid reliability of my D3. My just back from upgrade M8 stopped writing to the card the other day yet let me keep on shooting anyway. Just some missed pics of my two month old getting a bath, yet those are a dozen or so moments that will never come back. Try explaining that to a client on a multi $K shoot. If Leica don't get the electronics perfect on the S2 it's down the tubes and fast. The economy is bad and pros are seeing their budgets and shoots shrink fast. This would actually be a good time for Leica to work with the likes of Panasonic to put out more inexpensive cameras that are Leica designs and Panasonic guts (what they should have done on the M8 to begin with). I think there would be a big market for a Leica CMD or CLD. The S2 is sexier though I guess for the powers that be. But the allure of sexiness is often a danger. I hope they know what they are doing.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
georg Posted March 26, 2009 Share #31 Posted March 26, 2009 That's why they developed the electronics themselves this time. I don't know how often the M8 breaks down (= needs to be repaired) because I just can speak about my experience and haven't tested hundreds of them... But it's not unstable when following a few rules: - Be careful which SD-cards you choose (it's an exotic camera and card producers don't test them for it) I use Panasonic High-Speed 2GB. - Make pictures, download them to the PC and after putting the card back into the camera, format it - I don't shoot many JPGs (just for Ebay), maybe it works unstable there But after over 2 years handling the camera as described, it never crashed once! That's not the matter of luck or sample variation (because it's software). That's important to me, because it was my first own really expensive digital camera, my PC and MAC crashes on a daily basis (just 3 times in a row last week with C1) and I HATE IT. I would have brought back the M8 immediately and turn back entirely to film, that's for sure... However, the camera consums lots of energy and in cold weather the batteries run down quickly (whithout indicating it precisely) and the processing speed is slow. It behaves pretty much like a MFDB. That's also part of the DSPs with lots of software-handling, the S2 (even as the early prototype I handled!) was much faster because of the ASIC (camera-specific functions in hardware). But there will always be some (electronic) elements that have to be bought by suppliers which don't care about quality and that's especially problematic when you're smaller company. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
razerx Posted March 26, 2009 Share #32 Posted March 26, 2009 I wonder how many who discuss about August September summer autumn etc. will really buy the S2... I am not going to buy the S2 because I don't need it. So not being a potential customer of the S2 doesn't give me the right to talk about it and be concerned? Last month I bought a new MP and this month I bought a new 24/3.8 and likely will buy one of the other new lenses this year. I would like to keep buying Leicas new from my dealers and am concerned about the future of the company and whether the S2 will lift it up or drag it down. If losing money on the S2 means no M9 in the future then I am going to be pretty upset. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carstenw Posted March 26, 2009 Share #33 Posted March 26, 2009 I am not going to buy the S2 because I don't need it. So not being a potential customer of the S2 doesn't give me the right to talk about it and be concerned? Of course you and everyone else has the right to. However, think about it from the point of view of those who are actually interested in buying one, given that the price is reasonable and the performance is there: it is a total pain in the @ss to read hundreds of opinions from people who have no comprehension of the medium format segment and no interest in buying it. No offense intended, but there are just way too many opinions around here. A little moderation when posting would go a long way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elansprint72 Posted March 26, 2009 Share #34 Posted March 26, 2009 ............No offense intended, but there are just way too many opinions around here. A little moderation when posting would go a long way. So, you have been a forum member since May 2006 and have posted 4325 times and you are criticising someone who has been a member since September 2002 and has posted 90 times? Thanks for your opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
R10dreamer Posted March 26, 2009 Share #35 Posted March 26, 2009 Of course you and everyone else has the right to. However, think about it from the point of view of those who are actually interested in buying one, given that the price is reasonable and the performance is there: it is a total pain in the @ss to read hundreds of opinions from people who have no comprehension of the medium format segment and no interest in buying it. No offense intended, but there are just way too many opinions around here. A little moderation when posting would go a long way. This is one of those posts that a person probably wishes they can have back. :-) GD Whalen Photography Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
razerx Posted March 27, 2009 Share #36 Posted March 27, 2009 I didn't post anything about the S2 but merely defending the right to do so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carstenw Posted March 27, 2009 Share #37 Posted March 27, 2009 So, you have been a forum member since May 2006 and have posted 4325 times and you are criticising someone who has been a member since September 2002 and has posted 90 times? Thanks for your opinion. Perhaps you ought to review what types of things I post before making any conclusions. This post was however completely superfluous. I have been fairly involved in the community in both technical and photographic ways, in addition to posting opinion from time to time. However, I try to avoid posting my opinion about things I have no intention of getting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carstenw Posted March 27, 2009 Share #38 Posted March 27, 2009 This is one of those posts that a person probably wishes they can have back. :-) GD Whalen Photography No. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carstenw Posted March 27, 2009 Share #39 Posted March 27, 2009 I didn't post anything about the S2 but merely defending the right to do so. Just to clarify, I wasn't writing about anyone in specific, you included, but about the deluge of opinions coming from people with no vested interest in the product, and no intention to buy it. I suppose my post could be read as criticizing you, but this wasn't my intention. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasticman Posted March 28, 2009 Share #40 Posted March 28, 2009 Just to clarify, I wasn't writing about anyone in specific, you included, but about the deluge of opinions coming from people with no vested interest in the product, and no intention to buy it. I suppose my post could be read as criticizing you, but this wasn't my intention. Carsten - I think we can safely say we agree on a lot of things regarding Leica cameras, but without even reading through this thread, I'd have to disagree with you here: my feeling is always that a misinformed opinion can be argued against, but not censored or muzzled in any way. Anyone who isn't interested in following a discussion is never forced to do so. As for the S2 - I would love to own one sometime (who knows) but I have a strong suspicion that my life would be in danger if my partner were to even catch sight of me looking at the pricelist. However, I come over to this part of the form occasionally because while initially I thought the camera sounded promising, my worry now (with the world economy in it's present state, and so on - we've all heard it before), my worry is that the S2 will be a millstone around the company's neck that will sink it, once and for all. I'm sincerely hoping this isn't going to be the case, but when I read (in LFI and elsewhere) the reasoning behind the development, it often sounds like hubris, and a misguided attempt to show everyone 'what the company can really do' when not tethered to the limitations of an existing system. So even those of us who aren't buying can have an opinion... IMHO. Best - Mani Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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