earleygallery Posted July 8, 2006 Share #21 Posted July 8, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) They probably don't want to tread on the toes of their dealers. Whatever, its their forum and their rules so if you have stuff to sell this isn't the place to do it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted July 8, 2006 Posted July 8, 2006 Hi earleygallery, Take a look here OT...is there a member buy/sell area??. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Dan States Posted July 8, 2006 Share #22 Posted July 8, 2006 I don't blame Leica for saying no. They are a business and need to protect their market wherever they can. Considering the number of scammers out there I would not want to have my company sponsoring a buy/sell area only to be later sucked into the mess when someone gets ripped off. I can see the quotes now...."I got ripped of on the Leica Camera forum....." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brunom Posted July 8, 2006 Share #23 Posted July 8, 2006 Dan Surely if only registered and known members were allowed to buy/sell the chances of that sort of thing happening would be drastically reduced, although I have to accept it could happen. Bruno Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goardhead Posted July 10, 2006 Share #24 Posted July 10, 2006 Let me get this straight this is not a official Leica forum but Leica controls what is and is not allowed on the forum. Interesting very very interesting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambroving Posted July 10, 2006 Share #25 Posted July 10, 2006 Leica Camera is paying for the hosting of this site. It's their sandbox, so they make the rules. If you want an "open Leica forum", they exist..., but they aren't pretty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
like_no_other Posted July 10, 2006 Share #26 Posted July 10, 2006 I guess the Leica people see how the cat jumps. They try to prevent loss in sales of new eqipment wherever they can. Their dealers included. From this site I got the information that Leica has bumped up prices for camera check-ups to a prohibitive level. For a better understanding. Camera dealers usually send in used cameras to the manufacturer for a check-up before they resell them (because they assume liability). The costs of camera check-ups beat down the price you will get from the dealer for your used equipment. I think this market has already crashed. To keep things consistent it's logical that a forum market for used equipment is forbidden. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted July 10, 2006 Share #27 Posted July 10, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) Where have you read this on this forum? How much is a prohibitive level? My M2 was recently CLA'd by Leica and it cost me around £100 My R8 is currently on its way back from Solms, having been CLA'd plus damage repaired, and it will cost me less than £200 Doesn't seem to unreasonable to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted July 10, 2006 Share #28 Posted July 10, 2006 I am pretty certain that most dealers make a check of basic functions themselves and then put the s/h gear in the window - I really doubt that they go to the time/expense of sending cameras back to manufacturers etc. In fact I know of a dealer who would sell mint/boxed items as new if they were still current models...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
like_no_other Posted July 10, 2006 Share #29 Posted July 10, 2006 Andy, I didn't hear that on this forum. As I wrote it is a dealer's information. The whole thing I described applies to Germany. €700 (maybe includes some adjustments, this is not unusual for an used M camera) is prohibitive. dealers reselling price/M6: approx. €1000-1500 Leica Service: €700 dealers margin: 200 maybe dealers overhead costs: 100 maybe Not much left the dealer can pay for your used M camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
like_no_other Posted July 10, 2006 Share #30 Posted July 10, 2006 James, maybe te legal situation in your country is different from Germanies'. The dealer has to give guarantee to his customers, even for used cameras. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted July 10, 2006 Share #31 Posted July 10, 2006 Andy, I didn't hear that on this forum. As I wrote it is a dealer's information. The whole thing I described applies to Germany. €700 (maybe includes some adjustments, this is not unusual for an used M camera) is prohibitive. dealers reselling price/M6: approx. €1000-1500 Leica Service: €700 dealers margin: 200 maybe dealers overhead costs: 100 maybe Not much left the dealer can pay for your used M camera. That must be one bad condition M6 to require 700 euros worth of attention. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambroving Posted July 10, 2006 Share #32 Posted July 10, 2006 In the U.S., at any rate, a Leica Certified camera carries a one year warranty. Dealers send them in for a check because certified cameras are a good selling point. That might add $125 to the cost, but 700 Euros seems extreme. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
like_no_other Posted July 10, 2006 Share #33 Posted July 10, 2006 So we discovered that in the US we have no prohibitive pricing in the used equipment market, contrary to he German market. To keep things consistent it's logical that a forum market for used equipment should be allowed but limited to the international forum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmr Posted July 10, 2006 Share #34 Posted July 10, 2006 I bought two fine equipments from a fellow forum member that posted a brief note in the Leica Customer Forum. I am Completely satisfied with my purchase!!! There is a certain level of built in trust here. Maybe keep it simple in the Customer Forum area, with a unique icon or some sort of indication on the title stating that one have Leica stuff to sell. Those not interested can just skip the thread. What we want to avoid are those nasty name calling and disputes when the sale did not go through as planned. The forums are sometime blamed for it and the Admin has to intervene. We have enough problems with Trolls. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goardhead Posted July 10, 2006 Share #35 Posted July 10, 2006 I can remember when the great European pass time next to football was trying to figure ways around taxes and tariffs the whole economy of countries like Andorra were based on smuggling. Things must have changed with the EU. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted July 10, 2006 Share #36 Posted July 10, 2006 I bought two fine equipments from a fellow forum member that posted a brief note in the Leica Customer Forum. I am Completely satisfied with my purchase!!! There is a certain level of built in trust here. Maybe keep it simple in the Customer Forum area, with a unique icon or some sort of indication on the title stating that one have Leica stuff to sell. Those not interested can just skip the thread. What we want to avoid are those nasty name calling and disputes when the sale did not go through as planned. The forums are sometime blamed for it and the Admin has to intervene. We have enough problems with Trolls. Leica have made it quite clear that they don't want any sales via the forum. We're all guests at their party. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted July 10, 2006 Share #37 Posted July 10, 2006 James, maybe te legal situation in your country is different from Germanies'. The dealer has to give guarantee to his customers, even for used cameras. Most dealers give 3 or 6 months g'tee on used equipment, but they can also choose to offer items 'sold as seen' i.e. no comeback once you've bought the item. We have certain legal rights under the sale of goods act, but as for dealers routinely sending gear back for servicing etc before they sell it, I really don't think that happens in reality, unless of course there was an acutal fault found. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted July 10, 2006 Share #38 Posted July 10, 2006 Leica have made it quite clear that they don't want any sales via the forum. We're all guests at their party. The transactions referred to took place in the old forum--not this one. The rules have always been followed. As far as the reasoning that Leica prefer to not reduce new equipment sales due to competition from members listing items, I don't think that is good logic. Whenever I sell one of my old lenses or camera bodies, it is invariably for the purpose of buying a new replacement from a Leica dealer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptomsu Posted July 11, 2006 Share #39 Posted July 11, 2006 We had that discussion already several times in the old forum as well as in the new German forum. The simple answer is NO, still NO although a lot of us expressed big interest. So maybe you can also start making noise, then it is more likely to happen. Best would be also sending direct request to Leica, they are still the ones who take final decisions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron110n Posted July 12, 2006 Share #40 Posted July 12, 2006 Would Mercedes Benz let us sell our used benz at their official website? Our used benz is a used car, let's face it so good luck. They will only sell a... Mercedes Benz Certified Preowned Vehicle. C'mon guys, selling a used Leica is just a competition to a potential buyer of a new Leica. Now let's talk about market share if that idea will do any help. Just my 2 cents. -Ron Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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