azzo Posted October 26, 2006 Share #41 Posted October 26, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) Rick...Yes, if you have your camera mounted on a tripod and have time to compose and frame, but usually and with certain types of photography, you simply don't have this luxury. You shoot or you've missed a good shot. Best Azzo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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azzo Posted October 26, 2006 Share #42 Posted October 26, 2006 William, i use an M also but you can frame carefully with any other make, when you have time. Also sometimes you have to shoot or you've missed an opportunity for a good shot.I'm sure you have experienced quick changes in the weather, how light changes or something is happening when you're walking, and you need to shoot the event. After you crop if need be and there is NOTHING wrong with cropping. OK, so everyone wishes to have a perfect image on his neg, but it doesn't always work that way. Best Azzo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick_dykstra Posted October 26, 2006 Share #43 Posted October 26, 2006 Rick...Yes, if you have your camera mounted on a tripod and have time to compose and frame, but usually and with certain types of photography, you simply don't have this luxury. You shoot or you've missed a good shot. Best Azzo Hi Azzo. thanks for you thoughts on this. I'll admit to being a cropophobe. I just don't like the idea. It seems like cheating to me. Strange but true. When I finally get a good shot I take pride in the idea that part of it was the composition. See here for what I mean. http://www.leica-camera-user.com/nature-wildlife/7246-superb-fairy-wrens.html No cropping! :-D Regards, Rick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
azzo Posted October 26, 2006 Share #44 Posted October 26, 2006 Rick..As i said, i take my hat off for your honestly superb photos i saw and admired on your site. That Wren image is the one that in fact struck me most. My point is totally different, and what i realy mean to ask is this..Why not some extra area with everything you want in it, and if you'ld like to crop or mask, you could. It's not as if your are destroying the neg ! The only thing you are doing when cropping, is that you are getting rid of certain things that are NOT helping the image at all, and more importantly, you are actually enhancing the final print. And i'm being honest Rick, i think that your quote.. Don't Crop. Never Crop ! is actually misleading ! And cropping is NOT cheating at all.How can it be that you're cheating, when you crop your own image before printing.Cheating is something else ! You simply cannot compare your type of photography, Nature that is, where you've been studying a particular area, and you know that sooner or later, you're going to get what you want, with street, documentary,reportage etc, which are totally different from Nature Photography. Best Regards Azzo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick_dykstra Posted October 27, 2006 Share #45 Posted October 27, 2006 Hello Azzo. I'll admit that I'm being a bit over the top with my 'Don't Crop! Never crop' chant. But it does point to a clear preference of mine. I simply like to see what the photographer took - all of it. I can crop in my mind if I like, but usually don't. Your dead right about the difference between set-piece wildlife shots (an interesting description, but quite appropriate for what I try to do) and street photography. But still, if I see a really good snapshot of people and it's brilliantly composed, then I feel like I'm seeing something truly special. I would indeed be dissapointed to find later that the image had been cropped. But that's just me. I fully respect others cropping preferences, even if I think they go too far sometimes. :-) Thanks for your thoughts - I will read them again. And for your kind words. Regards, Rick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
azzo Posted October 29, 2006 Share #46 Posted October 29, 2006 Rick, cheers my friend and keep shooting more of those lovely images of yours. Best Regards Azzo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
billh Posted October 29, 2006 Share #47 Posted October 29, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) I, along with everyone else, love this portrait. Andy, the shallow depth of field makes me look first at the girl on the left, who is closer to the camera and appropriately the point of focus, then my eyes drift to the right - the pose, blue eyes, posture and smile all combine to make this fit perfectly. People clearly see things differently. I find this all the time with photos, which is why I usually ask people which they like before finalizing them. It is also interesting to hear another person talk about how the nostalgia experienced from discovering old photos tends to make you want to do something along the same lines. That may be the salvation of film. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksparrow Posted October 29, 2006 Share #48 Posted October 29, 2006 Beautiful picture, colors, background, composition.. everything!! true the girl on the right is slighlty softened (I don't care about that) a great portrait anyway. I really, really like the colors and the contrast with the background, you have very primary red-green-blue contrast here, and it makes the picture very intense to me. Wouldn't crop it, the original version is much better to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
larry Posted October 29, 2006 Share #49 Posted October 29, 2006 Paul, I have to say that despite all the controversy, I think your original instincts (and framing) were correct. There's a subtle tension between the girls and the composition seems to reinforce that. It's very pleasing photo. Larry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pemayeux Posted October 30, 2006 Author Share #50 Posted October 30, 2006 I must say I feel a bit guilty for bringing this thread back to the top of the list. There are many great photos that deserve the attention. However, I want everyone to know that I appreciate their kind, thoughtful comments. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambroving Posted November 2, 2006 Share #51 Posted November 2, 2006 I must say I feel a bit guilty for bringing this thread back to the top of the list. There are many great photos that deserve the attention. However, I want everyone to know that I appreciate their kind, thoughtful comments. Well..., I think it's a great portrait..., so I'll bump it to the top again so that everyone can view it. IMO few here have any better eye for framing than you do. Keep 'em coming. It's going to be a LOOONG winter... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted November 2, 2006 Share #52 Posted November 2, 2006 I, along with everyone else, love this portrait. Andy, the shallow depth of field makes me look first at the girl on the left, who is closer to the camera and appropriately the point of focus, then my eyes drift to the right - the pose, blue eyes, posture and smile all combine to make this fit perfectly. People clearly see things differently. I find this all the time with photos, which is why I usually ask people which they like before finalizing them. Indeed. I was just expressing my opinion and did not wish to offend anyone in that expression. It's a good job we don't all see the world the same way... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pemayeux Posted November 3, 2006 Author Share #53 Posted November 3, 2006 William, thank you. I appreciate your kind comments. I was taught by a wonderful photographer named Peter Feresten. ( Peter Feresten ) I started using 4x5 and 8x10 view cameras. As I got older the idea of lugging that much weight around no longer had the same appeal. I found that shooting Leica was a good compromise in that I could still get a unique look from the Leica glass, while not breaking my back . Andy, you most certainly did not offend me. I value any constructive criticism and I agree that it is the differences in which we see the world that makes interesting photography. It is the main reason I spend so much time browsing the photographs posted on this forum. I love to look at the work of others and I feel there is a lot to be learned from such. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuny Posted November 10, 2006 Share #54 Posted November 10, 2006 Paul - Terrific subjects, detail, selective focus, light and color. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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