albert Posted October 23, 2006 Share #21 Posted October 23, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) Paul, I feel the need to respond to your response. It seems to epitomize the spirit of a successful forum. My opinion. I also very much appreciate to quality of your photograph and the delightful tale of The K-64s. Al Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted October 23, 2006 Posted October 23, 2006 Hi albert, Take a look here Daughters. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
pleeson Posted October 24, 2006 Share #22 Posted October 24, 2006 Wonderful picture just as is. Ship the cropping Avedon did OK with full frame. Leave the photoshopping to the others... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicamann Posted October 24, 2006 Share #23 Posted October 24, 2006 Nothing wrong with this shot. To judge Kodachrome images from a scan..is like judging the taste of vanilla ice cream from a t.v. advert.... unless you are using an Imacon Flexlite or Aztec Drum scanner... It always takes some extra work in Photoshop to get away from the many wrong assumptions the scanner makes about K64..having a Q60 Target slide does help. Thanks for sharing Regards, Leicamann Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambroving Posted October 24, 2006 Share #24 Posted October 24, 2006 Paul, The crop actually draws more attention to the out of focus area. I still prefer the original, just love the background characteristics. Paul, This is bang on! Leave it alone. You have a super shot here. f2 would likely bring that background in a LOT more than you think and be equally distracting. Be a happy man and leave it at that! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
azzo Posted October 24, 2006 Share #25 Posted October 24, 2006 Wonderful picture just as is.Ship the cropping Avedon did OK with full frame. Leave the photoshopping to the others... Phil, if you can't see what the crop did or better still eliminated from the original image, then it might be useless trying to explain ! I would go a bit further and crop more from the top also Paul. Best Azzo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wizard Posted October 24, 2006 Share #26 Posted October 24, 2006 This (and by this I mean the original one) is wonderful! The crop takes away too much of the atmosphere that's in the original (sorry Azzo!). The crop could have been taken almost everywhere, whereas the full frame gives you an idea of the surroundings. Also, the slight softness in the eyes is a non-issue for me, simply because you can't have it all. I agree with William, f2 or even 2.8 would most probably have rendered the background in a much less pleasing, i.e. distracting manner, and to me the background as it is rendered contributes very much to the overall image (which is why I would vote against cropping here). As someone noted, it is a timeless shot, and a very good one. Thanks for sharing. Cheers, Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
azzo Posted October 24, 2006 Share #27 Posted October 24, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) Andy, the softness in the younger daughter's eye was never an issue for me. Read again what Paul himself had said about the background. Regards Azzo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wizard Posted October 24, 2006 Share #28 Posted October 24, 2006 Azzo, my comments re the softness issue were not tied to anything you had posted before. It is just that I like the full frame of this particular image so much better than the cropped version. Of course, this is a matter of personal preference, and everyone will thus have a different view on this. Regards, Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
azzo Posted October 24, 2006 Share #29 Posted October 24, 2006 Andy..YES i agree with what you just said. I' ve NO PROBLEM with that. Mine are personal opinions or alternatives, but it not my image, so at the end, it's the author himself who decides. I liked the photo as soon as i saw it, but it had some things that i didn't like, and my suggestion eliminated everything. Honestly speaking, the cropped version works much better for me. Best Regards Azzo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
yeungkeefu Posted October 25, 2006 Share #30 Posted October 25, 2006 Beautiful capture! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick_dykstra Posted October 25, 2006 Share #31 Posted October 25, 2006 Excellent photo of your beautiful daughters. Their mother must be quite something is what I'm thinking. Lucky man. :-) p.s. I like to see this sort of OOF effect. One set of eyes in - the other out. Great. It's dynamic. It draws attention and provides a contrast between the subjects. Excellent photo. Rick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick_dykstra Posted October 25, 2006 Share #32 Posted October 25, 2006 p.p.s. Never crop! Full frame or nothing! :-D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted October 25, 2006 Share #33 Posted October 25, 2006 Reading through this thread, it becomes clear to me that if the background was unappealing, Paul did an excellent job of neutralizing it and even making it beautiful by shooting wide open. I still very much like the original version. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddp Posted October 25, 2006 Share #34 Posted October 25, 2006 Part of the beauty of using fast lenses is to be able to do what Paul has done here. I agree with Brent...this really is a strong image uncropped. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pemayeux Posted October 25, 2006 Author Share #35 Posted October 25, 2006 Everyone is most kind. I've been very reluctant to post anything because the images I see on this forum are so well executed that I tend to feel a bit intimidated. Thank you all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
azzo Posted October 25, 2006 Share #36 Posted October 25, 2006 p.p.s. Never crop! Full frame or nothing! :-D Never crop! Full frame or nothing!........ALWAYS ??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick_dykstra Posted October 25, 2006 Share #37 Posted October 25, 2006 Never crop! Full frame or nothing!........ALWAYS ??? No, of course not. Cropping out ex wives is fine. I just prefer to see what the photographer saw. And, there is skill in taking a well composed shot and not needing to fix it up afterwards. :-) Rick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambroving Posted October 26, 2006 Share #38 Posted October 26, 2006 Never crop! Full frame or nothing!........ALWAYS ??? Azzo, Most of us who've been using M's for a long time rarely find the need to crop unless it was a grab shot. The M brightlines encourage careful framing. Usually we want just what we see and very little cropping is necessary. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LADP Posted October 26, 2006 Share #39 Posted October 26, 2006 I love the portrait as is. No cropping for my taste, and the slightly soft focus on the daughter on the right does not bother me. Nice Bokeh too. I think F2 would have been detrimental. Great shot! Finally, I love the "Venice Beach" on the shirt... a little shout out to my 'hood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
azzo Posted October 26, 2006 Share #40 Posted October 26, 2006 WILLIAM and RICK . Let's make some things clear. I mean well when i suggest a crop and honestly believe that by cropping certain images will DEFINETELY make them look better.I think before i suggest and most of the times i would have tried it at home. So ALL my suggestions are serious ones and NOT just for the sake of it.Look at ALL my replies, check out what i have suggested and CHALLENGE me if you want. They are all good suggestions and ONLY with GOOD intentions. IF AN IMAGE NEEDS TO BE CROPPED TO BRING OUT FURTHER IT'S POTENTIAL, THEN CROP ! Best Azzo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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