Hacker Posted January 26, 2009 Share #1 Posted January 26, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi: I'm trying to compile a list of Sonnar lenses, and I'm hoping folks here can add to it: 1) Zunow 5cm f/1.1 2) MS Optical 50mm f/1.3 3) Nikkor 5cm f/1.4 4) Nikkor 5cm f/1.5 5) Canon 5cm f/1.5 6) Zeiss C-Sonnar 50mm f/1.5 7) Nikkor 5cm f/2 8) Nikkor 8.5cm f/2 9) Nikkor 10.5cm /2.5 10) Rollei 40mm f/2.8 What about the Russian ones and the Jena? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted January 26, 2009 Posted January 26, 2009 Hi Hacker, Take a look here List of Sonnar Lenses.... I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Hacker Posted January 26, 2009 Author Share #2 Posted January 26, 2009 I'm trying only to list LTM or M-mount lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fefe Posted January 26, 2009 Share #3 Posted January 26, 2009 Russians: Jupiter 3 50 f1.5 Jupiter 8 50 f2 Jupiter 9 85 f2 Zeiss ZM 85mm Sonnar f2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marquinius Posted January 26, 2009 Share #4 Posted January 26, 2009 This is rather interesting, as I was looking into other lenses than those from Leica. A question: can all M-mounted lenses be used on the M8? I recall that even not all Leica lenses are safe to use due to the placement of the chip. Marco Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hacker Posted January 26, 2009 Author Share #5 Posted January 26, 2009 ZM 85mm Sonnar f2 Yes, I have this and forgot all about it! Updated list: 1) Zunow 5cm f/1.1 2) MS Optical 50mm f/1.3 3) Nikkor 5cm f/1.4 4) Nikkor 5cm f/1.5 5) Canon 5cm f/1.5 6) Jupiter 3 50mm f/1.5 7) Zeiss C-Sonnar 50mm f/1.5 8) Nikkor 5cm f/2 9) Jupiter 8 50mm f/2 10) Nikkor 8.5cm f/2 11) Zeiss 85mm Sonnar f/2 12) Jupiter 9 85mm f/2 13) Nikkor 10.5cm /2.5 14) Rollei 40mm f/2.8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hacker Posted January 26, 2009 Author Share #6 Posted January 26, 2009 This is rather interesting, as I was looking into other lenses than those from Leica. A question: can all M-mounted lenses be used on the M8? I recall that even not all Leica lenses are safe to use due to the placement of the chip. Marco Not all M lenses can mount the M8, e.g. Summicron DR. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marquinius Posted January 26, 2009 Share #7 Posted January 26, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Sorry, I meant of this list of Sonnar lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fefe Posted January 26, 2009 Share #8 Posted January 26, 2009 I don't know if you want to count the Zeiss Sonnar 50 and 85 2 times, 1 for their modern times implementation and one for their mid 20th century LTM version. You also have this: Unusual 6cm f1.5 Sonnar in LTM - Rangefinderforum.com Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philippe D. Posted January 26, 2009 Share #9 Posted January 26, 2009 Not all M lenses can mount the M8, e.g. Summicron DR. Actually, the DR mount on the M8, but only on 'macro' position. But it could be dangerous if one forget about that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manolo Posted January 26, 2009 Share #10 Posted January 26, 2009 What is Sonnar? I have the 6 1.5 Zeis Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hacker Posted January 26, 2009 Author Share #11 Posted January 26, 2009 1) Zunow 5cm f/1.1 2) MS Optical 50mm f/1.3 3) Nikkor 5cm f/1.4 4) Nikkor 5cm f/1.5 5) Canon 5cm f/1.5 6) Jupiter 3 50mm f/1.5 7) Zeiss C Sonnar 50mm f/1.5 M-mount 8) Zeiss 5cm f/1.5 LTM 9) Zeiss 6cm f/1.5 10) Nikkor 5cm f/2 11) Jupiter 8 50mm f/2 12) Nikkor 8.5cm f/2 13) Zeiss 8.5cm f/2 LTM 14) Zeiss 85mm Sonnar f/2 15) Jupiter 9 85mm f/2 16) Nikkor 10.5cm /2.5 17) Rollei 40mm f/2.8 UPDATED! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain Posted January 27, 2009 Share #12 Posted January 27, 2009 Dont forget the last ZM lens to be released, the Sonnar ZM 85mm f4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hacker Posted March 8, 2009 Author Share #13 Posted March 8, 2009 Dont forget the last ZM lens to be released, the Sonnar ZM 85mm f4 It is a Tessar, not a Sonnar: Welcome to Carl Zeiss Camera and Cine Lenses Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hacker Posted March 8, 2009 Author Share #14 Posted March 8, 2009 Updated list: 1) Zunow 5cm f/1.1 ...........................$4000 2) MS Optical 50mm f/1.3 ...........................$1100 3) Nikkor 5cm f/1.4 ...........................$450 4) Nikkor 5cm f/1.5 ...........................$2000 5) Canon 50mm f/1.5 ...........................$450 6) Jupiter 3 50mm f/1.5 .................... $135 7) Zeiss C Sonnar 50mm f/1.5 M-mount ...........................$900 8) Zeiss 5cm f/1.5 LTM ...........................$1000 9) Zeiss 5.8cm f/1.5 ...........................$1000 10) Zeiss 6cm f/1.5 ...........................$1000 11) Nikkor 8.5cm f/1.5 ...........................$950 12) Nikkor 5cm f/2 ........................ $300 13) Steinheil Quinon 50/2 ...........................$400 14) Zeiss 5cm f/2 LTM ...........................$750 15) Jupiter 8 50mm f/2 ...................... $50 16) Jupiter 17 50mm /f2 ...................... $50 17) Tanaka Kogaku Tanar 5cm f/2 ...................... $350 18) Misuzu Kogaku Altair/Altanon 5cm f/2 (Tanar clone) ...................... $350 19) Nikkor 8.5cm f/2 (Black costs more)...........................$300 (Chrome)/$1050 (Black) 20) Zeiss 8.5cm f/2 LTM ...........................$1050 21) Zeiss ZM 85mm Sonnar f/2 ...........................$2650 22) Jupiter 9 85mm f/2 ..................... $100 23) Nikkor 10.5cm /2.5 ............................... $300 24) Ernostar 40mm f/2.8 25) Rollei 40mm f/2.8 ...........................$600 26) M-Hexanon 90mm f/2.8 ...........................$450 27) Contax G 90mm f/2.8 (M-mount conversion) ...........................$685 28) Nikkor 13.5cm f/3.5 ............................ $150 29) Zeiss 7.5cm f/4 ............................ $625 30) Carl Zeiss Jena 13.5cm f/4 T Sonnar ............................ $500 31) Nikkor 13.5cm f/4 ............................ $800 32) Jupiter 11 135mm f/4 ............................ $75 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted March 8, 2009 Share #15 Posted March 8, 2009 Interesting list, Hacker. Are any of your prices based on Photo-Arsenal prices by any chance? If so, imho they should be viewed with a sense of 'humour'. Pete. PS, are all of these lenses part of your impressive collection yet? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain Posted March 8, 2009 Share #16 Posted March 8, 2009 It is a Tessar, not a Sonnar: Yes you are right when I looked at a 2nd site, the first site I looked at was Robert White Zeiss ZM 85mm f4 Sonnar | extremely compact universal Tele lens Calls it a Sonnar hence my confusion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lars_bergquist Posted March 8, 2009 Share #17 Posted March 8, 2009 Not even the f/2 85mm lens is really a Sonnar design. Here are the lens layouts of the classical and the present versions: Original 8.5cm Sonnar: 1 - 3 / 2 ZM 85mm 'Sonnar': 1 - 1 - 1 / 1 - 1 - 1 where 1 means a free-standing (airspaced) element, 2 and 3 are cemented groups of 2 and 3 elements, respectively, and the slash marks the position of the diaphragm. The ZM 1.5/50mm C Sonnar however is recognisably a Sonnar design, nearly identical with the classical one except that an airspace has been opened up between the second and third elements: Original 5cm Sonnar: 1 - 2 / 3 Present C-Sonnar: 1 -1 - 1 / 3 Ludwig Bertele's fast Sonnar lenses of the early 1930's were miracles of cementing acrobatics. The reason is that in those days, coating did not exist, and flare and reflexes increased exponentially with the number of free glass-air surfaces. Therefore both 5cm Sonnar lenses were 'triplets' in the parlance of those days, i.e. three-group lenses with just 6 air surfaces, as against 8 in an ordinary double-Gaussian design, and 10 in the Schneider/Leica Xenon, where only about half the incoming light ever reached the film as image-forming photons. But cementing reduced the number of 'degrees of freedom' for the designer too, and something had to give. This someting was flatness of field. Both lenses exhibit strong curvature, and the current Zeiss ZM Sonnar shows evidence of that, too, in the corners of the field, where contrast drops abruptly to practically nil. What price nostalgia? The old man from the Age B.C. (Before Coating) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rui Posted March 9, 2009 Share #18 Posted March 9, 2009 Hi, I think that I have two more lenses that might fit in (assuming that you only wish to count 35mm lenses): Rollei Sonnar 2,8 / 85mm (for Rollei SL35, etc.), and Rollei Sonnar 2,8 / 135mm HFT. In medium format we could add some more, at least for the Rollei and Hasselblad... Cheers, Rui Morais de Sousa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikej Posted March 9, 2009 Share #19 Posted March 9, 2009 What is Sonnar? I have the 6 1.5 Zeis Hi, Manolo - here is what Carl Zeiss says about SONNAR lenses (from the Zeiss website). Cheers, Mike Zeiss Sonnar.pdf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lars_bergquist Posted March 9, 2009 Share #20 Posted March 9, 2009 In the old days B.C. (Before Computers) any fairly complex lens embodied several man-years of laborious computation with pencil and paper and logarithm and trig tables. The pile of paper with the numbers work for the original 1932 5cm Sonnar 2.0 was said to be one meter high. Consequently, there were few basic lens designs around, each represented a considerable investment, and the manufacturer understandably wanted to flaunt it in the marketplace. Hence lens design names such as Sonnar, Tessar, Elmar, Planar, Hektor etc. Only quite modest designs were sold under generic names such as 'Anastigmat', which simply meant that the lens was probably a 'Cooke triplet' of three single elements. This is the simplest lens that can be corrected for astigmatism. At Ernst Leitz, names were used for design types until the middle of the 1950's. 'Summicron' was originally a design name. With the advent of computer-aided design, names came to be used to denote speed classes instead. The first example I know of is the 1958 90mm Elmarit, which is actually a Hektor type design. The 1960 135mm Elmar was not an Elmar-type cemented triplet. And so it goes. The only exception I know of is the just-discontinued collapsible 50mm Elmar, which belongs to the Elmarit (2.8) speed class, but is actually an Elmar design, and was named (and manufactured) for reasons of nostalgia. With Carl Zeiss, you have to stretch categories very far and apply lots of imagination to recognise the classical designs in most lenses bearing their names. I have pointed to one partial exception in a post above. Another one is Planar lenses which are normally old-style double-Gaussian designs. But few people would spontaneously recognise a Distagon or a Biogon in present Zeiss lenses! And the nearly completely content-less advertising newspeak in the statement in the previous post underlies that. The old man from the Age of the 3.5cm Elmar Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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