faffo99 Posted January 18, 2009 Share #1  Posted January 18, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi guys, how are you all? I just wanted to ask you experts a question...  I'm about to purchase a 5d markII, and as i've always been a rangefinder guy i really never liked the weight of DSLR and most of all :Autofocus.  So i was looking for a 35mm lens for the markII ( i basically only use 35mm lens on my cameras) and found out that canon offer's just two alternatives  The 35mm 1.4 which is impossible for me.. TOO BIG AND HEAVY and 35mm f2 which i heard performs very bad on full frame 5d  so my question is, what about using a Summicron with Haoda adpater on it?  i know it may have been asked before but it's the first time i take this thing for serious.  is it worth it? does it perform good? also does the Viewfinder really darken a lot?  please help me out with this or other solutions  many many many thanks! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Canfred Posted January 18, 2009 Share #2 Â Posted January 18, 2009 Hi Raffaele, I use the older ( out of production ) 35mm f2.8 Elmarit on my 5DII my adaptor is from Tagotech Singapore it has focus confirm. Â The lens performs best at f5.6 focus is precise but you would be well advised changing the screen to EGS this way you can check focus better. I am sure the later Summicron is very capable however I am used to my Elmarit , one thing for you to consider its not just manual focus its also manual stop down, focussing at taking aperture is not possible. By the way the Elmarit is at its best at close range. I hope this helps and just let me say you are on the right track I use several Leica lenses with great results, until the R10 is available its the only option. Cheers Manfred Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
faffo99 Posted January 19, 2009 Author Share #3 Â Posted January 19, 2009 thanks canfred for the quick response, so what you're telling me is that i cannot focus ad f8 for example? it is too dark? Â so i have to focus at f2, then switch to f8 and then give the camera the right shutter speed?? isn't it too annoyingly slow? i mean it's worse then a normal manual focus no? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canfred Posted January 19, 2009 Share #4 Â Posted January 19, 2009 That was little bid misleading the statement relates to focus confirm manual focus depends on your ability to recognise sharp sections in the finder. For me with my Elmarit f5.6 is still useful at f8 you need a little more light. To understand focus confirm , its part of the cameras auto focus system a chip in the adaptor provides the circuit for the confirm light just like a Canon lens would. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canfred Posted January 19, 2009 Share #5 Â Posted January 19, 2009 Just reading your last post again , no you dont set time set the camera to AV the camera will advise open aperture at all times but set the time once the photo is taken as it measures light. Data for the photo will be the right time but still open lens, on my 5DII with the adaptor and Elmarit it displays f1.4 as you stop down the actual time is also displayed in the finder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
faffo99 Posted January 19, 2009 Author Share #6  Posted January 19, 2009 uhm...didn't really get anything ypu wrote...it must be me..  let's make it simple...  1) to use it as a MANUAL CAMERA i have to set the aperture by hand, moving the lens aperture ring...then i have to set the shutter with canon front wheel...am i right? don't want the camera to be in aperture priority mode i just want to use it manually  2) then, about the focus, do i have to focus at wide open aperture because of the low light? or i can just focus at f8 or f11 as i'll do with normal canon lenses?  in other words: "stop down focus" means you have to firstly focus with all the available light and then close it to your desired stop?  thanks for the patience Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruhayat Posted January 19, 2009 Share #7 Â Posted January 19, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Raffaele, Â that would be correct. To focus, you first need to dial down the aperture to F2, focus the lens, dial aperture back to the desired number (eg F8 or F11), and then set shutter speed. Â I find that with the Olympus E-1 (which has a somewhat smaller viewfinder than the 5D) up to F4 it is still quite possible to focus accurately in daylight. Indeed when I am outside I normally use this setting for convenience. But F8 would be too dim to focus with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canfred Posted January 19, 2009 Share #8 Â Posted January 19, 2009 Fine Raffaele I try again sure you may be able to use the manual setting but remember its manual and you must find the right exposure. While this is visible in the bar inside the finder its a lot quicker to use AV check the selected time and correct the aperture if needed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
faffo99 Posted January 19, 2009 Author Share #9 Â Posted January 19, 2009 so it seems a little too complicted for reportage photography, does ady of you know some manual 35mm lens not too big to fit in canon 5d mark II?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted January 19, 2009 Share #10 Â Posted January 19, 2009 1) to use it as a MANUAL CAMERA i have to set the aperture by hand, moving the lens aperture ring...then i have to set the shutter with canon front wheel...am i right? Â No. You can shoot in aperture priority mode. You need to focus wide open, stop down the lens, then press the shutter. Â It isn't as difficult as it sounds. I used a 5D with Leica lenses as my main camera for about 18 months. Â The adaptor I used was the Cameraquest one - no focus confirmation. I also fitted a Brightscreen, that I found very useful (the microprism collar in particular. I don't know if there's a version for the 5D MkII. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
faffo99 Posted January 19, 2009 Author Share #11 Â Posted January 19, 2009 i understand but for street photos it seems to me too complicated to stop down the lens, as i never used any programmed aperture i do shot all manual from focus to exposure, but focusing and then close the aperture, and then finding the right shutter speed is a very slow method i will loose a lot of pictures. Â but, can i ask how come the viewfinder becomes dark? i know there's no automatism as the canon lenses, which stay opened until shutter is pressed and blades close to desired aperture. Â but in my pentax manual camera, there's not this authomatism , the blades are just closed but viewfinder doesn't change in darkness.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihw Posted January 19, 2009 Share #12 Â Posted January 19, 2009 I have used an older 35mm Summicron with adapter on my 5D Mk1. With regard to focus, at f8 - f11 the screen is not too dark for me to focus using my eyes providing conditions are reasonably bright. However, if you are relying on the AF confirm light, it won't work on any aperture smaller than f5.6. Kind regards Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colorflow Posted January 19, 2009 Share #13 Â Posted January 19, 2009 Raffaele, I bought a 20D to test with my Leica R lenses (as well as some Nikon AIs and a Contax Planar) to decide whether I should get the 5D2. I find it quite easy. Â Most of the time I do not need to do stop down focusing. I just set the desired aperture and focus. The inaccuracy in focusing as the viewfinder gets darker is compensated by the greater dof of the smaller aperture. Â I do not manually set the shutter speed. Just set the camera to aperture priority and shoot. On the 20d with the Haoda adapter, the camera thinks the lens is a f1.8 and is also set at this maximum aperture. So it does not do any scaled down exposure calculation. Or simply put, aperture priority works. Â So just set the aperture, focus, and shoot with aperture priority. Also a better focusing screen should help a lot. Â Regards, Alan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 19, 2009 Share #14 Â Posted January 19, 2009 i understand but for street photos it seems to me too complicated to stop down the lens... Nothing complicated really. Aperture priority mode, f/2.8, focus and shoot. Nothing else to do The Summicron 35/2 works well with the 5D. The viewfinder is bright enough at f/2 and f/2.8. I use a Brightscreen focus screen but the cheap Canon E-ES focus screen is not bad at all. Also a good AF confirm adapter is advisable to focus accurately IMHO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
faffo99 Posted January 19, 2009 Author Share #15 Â Posted January 19, 2009 thank you all for replies... but i'm still not convinced.. i think i'll have to try... i'll do it with a simple manual canon lens...and see how it works... can anyone explain me why the screen gets dark while in mechanical film cameras with no DOF preview switch doesn't? Â thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted January 19, 2009 Share #16 Â Posted January 19, 2009 can anyone explain me why the screen gets dark while in mechanical film cameras with no DOF preview switch doesn't? Â In the mechanical camera several things happen when you press the shutter. The mirror flips up, the lens - which was previously wide open - is stopped down to the selected aperture, and the shutter fires. Once the shutter has closed the mirror drops down and the lens revert to being wide open. Â Using an R lens on a Canon DSLR there is no linkage between the lens and the body. So as you select a smaller aperture the aperture changes as you make the adjustment, rather than when the shutter is fired. That's why is gets darker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
faffo99 Posted January 19, 2009 Author Share #17  Posted January 19, 2009 well this is what happens on a eletronic camera actually ... on my pentax k-1000 with no battery inside, the lens is always stopped down and there's no change in the mirror  how come? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted January 19, 2009 Share #18  Posted January 19, 2009 on my pentax k-1000 with no battery inside, the lens is always stopped down and there's no change in the mirror  Rather than the electronic communication between the body and lens in a DSLR, the Pentax has a mechanical linkage between the body and the lens. Before the shutter fires that mechanical link will stop down the lens to the required aperture. Once the exposure is made the mechanical link resets the aperture blades to wide open.  Select a 1 sec. exposure and look at the front of the lens as the shutter is fired. You'll see the aperture change from being wide open to the selected f stop for the duration of the exposure. After 1 second you'll see the diaphragm on the aperture return to being wide open. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
faffo99 Posted January 19, 2009 Author Share #19 Â Posted January 19, 2009 true you're right... i unmounted it and kept close to the mount to see how dark it can get...and..it's damn dark! Â so...it seems taking photo with leica r lenses on 5d is just like taking pictures with a field camera.. Â so it seems my only choise to get the canon 35mm EF f2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kameraguy Posted January 21, 2009 Share #20 Â Posted January 21, 2009 faffo, can you confirm where you read that the Canon EF35mm F2 performs poorly on the 5D? I use this lens without problems since film (also my preferred reportage focal length) but may get a 5DmkII later. If there is any performance deficiency exposed by the 5D sensor, I would be interested to read it as well. Â Cheers, Christian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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