adan Posted January 9, 2009 Share #1 Posted January 9, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) ...about "How long must we wait for the firmware fix to enable SDXC compatability for the M8???" SDXC expands SD into Terabyte territory: Digital Photography Review Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted January 9, 2009 Posted January 9, 2009 Hi adan, Take a look here Time to start the whining threads..... I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
mboerma Posted January 9, 2009 Share #2 Posted January 9, 2009 Only on the M 8.3 (maybe as the only feature besides the disappearance of the S on the shutterspeed dial ) Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimF Posted January 9, 2009 Share #3 Posted January 9, 2009 ...about "How long must we wait for the firmware fix to enable SDXC compatability for the M8???" SDXC expands SD into Terabyte territory: Digital Photography Review Would there be sufficient time in the day to fill the card up, even if the shutter release was held down with a brick. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisC Posted January 9, 2009 Share #4 Posted January 9, 2009 Andy - I too saw a 'release' about cards with 2 Terabyte capacity. No doubt when they arrive photographers will buy them, and fill them up. I shudder to think how the hell such photographers are able to edit and find the masterpieces in their scatter gun photography. I have a confession. I work quietly with my M8 [influenced by too many years of view-camera work] and bought two 2Gb. cards with the camera. I am yet to get close to filling a card in one session, and the second card is still in it's unopened packaging. There again; maybe I should get out more. .................. Chris Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoff Posted January 9, 2009 Share #5 Posted January 9, 2009 ...about "How long must we wait for the firmware fix to enable SDXC compatability for the M8???" I do not think SDXC support is possible on the Leica M8, even with a firmware update. SDHC support on the M8 was possible, after-the-fact, because both the SD 2.0 standard had already been ratified and a subsequent supporting I/O chip was already available for incorporation during development. The only remaining element left was the software instructions to take full advantage. SDXC is a new technology offering greater throughput speeds. If the underlying hardware circuitry is not place, no amount of software upgrades are going to change it. An analogy would be the difference between USB 1.0 and 2.0 Hi Speed or FireWire 400 and 800. You cannot jump from one to another by software alone. At this point in time, not even the SD 3.0 standard (SDXC) has been fully ratified. However, there might be time to incorporate support into the S2 while it’s still under development, if that is not what has been intended all along. Basically, all future camera releases later in the year should be able to support SDXC provided a support chip is already, or nearing availability for design incorporation. Currently, SDXC make most sense as a media format for large audio and video files. However, large and middle format digital cameras, like the S2, could stand to benefit from the standard, given the throughput support for large files. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double Negative Posted January 9, 2009 Share #6 Posted January 9, 2009 Unless the camera produces ridiculously large files (they're starting to get there, at 25MP) I wouldn't want a huge or even a large card. It's a single point of failure and can be lost - taking all of your images with it. I'd rather use smaller sized cards and more of them, spreading things out a little. Sure it's not as convenient, but you usually have to replace the batteries at some point too so it's not a big deal. It's nice when your battery life is around the same as your card capacity (e.g. 400 shots). Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoff Posted January 11, 2009 Share #7 Posted January 11, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) There seems to be a fallacy against larger memory cards the negates the real world needs and practices of some professional photographers. Many event photographers tend to shoot massive amounts of photos per session and need the least amount of interruptions. Even having to change a battery is faster than needing to change the battery and memory card. Additionally, in most case, these photographers are working with extra power battery handgrips anyway. Think of a wedding photographer that needs the combination of the quality that large files provide, the ability to write these large file as fast as possible, and the need to stay attentive and on top of what’s happening in front of the camera rather than the camera itself. Additionally, it’s not just the capacity that SDXC brings forward, but the potential for greatly increased write speeds. The Leica S2 is where SDXC would start to make sense. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bo_Lorentzen Posted January 11, 2009 Share #8 Posted January 11, 2009 Geoff, I tend to agree with Double Negative, I do understand the need for a un-interrupted event, but even weddings have breaks. I know that because I have photographed several hundred of them, about half of these shot on film (120 and 135) somehow we survived all these decades with rollfilm having "only" 24 exposures (called 220). Honestly as a wedding photographer I was more concerned about loosing my images than swapping the card, and always had my assistant make a backup to a powered drive. Shooting a wedding to a single terabyte size card seems to me to be asking for disaster. It would be my natural instinct to shoot a large card, but also to swap it whenever there is a good moment for that. it would simply make me feel happier knowing the event was spread out on maybe 4-5 cards. So there. I am entirely amazed that it is possible to stick a card in the camera and photograph all day long. and that the battery is now the biggest problem. I actually have Nikon fujix memory cards of 8meg each, so I really can appreciate the progress. But until the card manufactures deliver a un-conditional failure warranty, I personally think wedding photographers would be wiser in using a pocket full of smaller cards. SanDisk kind of says it best... in the boxes with their cards is a card-recovery CD. so that we can attempt (mostly successful) to recover our images when the files become corrupted. Im pretty sure they would not include this unless they felt there were a need. Besides I have had to use the RescuePro software... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoff Posted January 11, 2009 Share #9 Posted January 11, 2009 Bo, Good points, well taken. So..., this gets down to my own needs where changing memory cards becomes more of a weighed risk at missing a shot than a risk of losing all the shots on the card. Sounds funny? I occasionally read about someone having a problem with their memory card but I have never had an issue myself with all the memory cards, from various brands, I have used over years of intensive use. I test all cards beforehand after purchase, make sure the contacts stay clean and keep all cards stored in a protective case when not in a camera. v.b. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danhefner Posted January 11, 2009 Share #10 Posted January 11, 2009 This is but another fine example of how advances in technology can change the way one works. This is also an example of how advances in technology forces one to think about the way he works, which is a good thing always. So, even if the M8/8.2 currently could accommodate the new standard (doubtful), if you choose not to use it, you're doing so having thought about how it might impact your own work. Horses for courses, I think. I do not think it would be commercially advantageous for Leica to change the standard in its digital M cameras to accommodate this new card format unless doing so would not increase cost (hah!). Currently, a 32GB card will accommodate thousands of RAW images, which is incredible in itself. If Leica changes the sensor/RAW format to result in markedly larger files, or changes the buffer/processor to permit faster file writing in a future digital M, it might make sense. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzav Posted January 11, 2009 Share #11 Posted January 11, 2009 Geoff, I tend to agree with Double Negative, I do understand the need for a un-interrupted event, but even weddings have breaks. I know that because I have photographed several hundred of them, about half of these shot on film (120 and 135) somehow we survived all these decades with rollfilm having "only" 24 exposures (called 220). Bo, Surely you must have forgotten the 70mm backs you used on the ELM or those 250-frame Nikon backs!!! But on a serious note, unless your film was being developed by NASA's labs, you would not want to lose a roll 70mm due to a local lab's oversight, out of date chemicals, a rat falling into the developer tank, etc. However, this desire for extreme amounts of uninterrupted shots dates way back to pre-digital days. I never went to 2GB (or higher capacity) cards on any digital camera with Raw file sizes under 20MB. I still refuse to do so because of the potential loss when they go belly up because I know for a fact they do. With over 90 Raw images per 1GB card on the M8, I feel I am way ahead of what I had even with the capacious 36 exposure film rolls before. Have I ever lost film at a lab? Absolutely! That is why I setup an in-house film and print lab in my studio almost 40 years ago after an outside "pro" lab lost an entire shoot of 8x10 chromes. My studio lab was tightly monitored with daily E6 runs (and E4/E3 before that); we never lost a roll or sheet of film. Control Strips were always run and analyzed before each film run and C-Print session. Finally, swapping a card or a card and battery, still takes far less time than rewinding (even with motor rewind) and replacing a 35mm cassette. I just don't get the necessity of having several hundred shots (or several thousand) on a single card. If enough Leica owners feel they just can't handle the "frequent" card swaps due to the limitations of current SD cards, then they will of course have to accommodate their wishes. Personally, I would rather Leica had their engineers address more important digital M issues... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted January 11, 2009 Share #12 Posted January 11, 2009 Memory cards shouldn't be able to store more than 36 images at a time Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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