Guest guy_mancuso Posted October 17, 2006 Share #21 Posted October 17, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) Malcom the one thing C1 will have going for it with the M8 like the DMR is a excellent profile that does not need a lot of tweaking. This has been my godsend on the DMR . Soemtimes it is hundreds of images that i need to process and if you have to sit there and tweak everyone well just put the gun to my head now. With C1 and the Dmr really the biggest thing to do is WB and that is very easy and really the profile is so good that you won't need much after that. ACR was so far off on the DMR that you really need to calibrate the software to match the camera to get a good profile to work with and that is a PIA but it can be done. Also Lightroom the beta right no is also looking very good , now when it is final we will have to see but there are other options out there to try. Irident has Raw Developer for Mac only that is also very good. So we have choices and that is good Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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chrism Posted October 17, 2006 Share #22 Posted October 17, 2006 Raw Developer is a nice looking app (=simple enough for me to understand!), but it doesn't open the M8 DNG that has been floating around since Photokina. Perhaps in a new version... Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted October 17, 2006 Share #23 Posted October 17, 2006 {snipped}The choice of PhotoElements 3 for the DMR was kind of "unprofessional"... {snipped} C1 rocks. I've had the Pro version for what seems like forever. I bought it long ago to get their "5 free upgrade pack" and have never used it yet (I remember the first time they announced C1 V4 too!) But am I the only one that likes FlexColor? It's weird, and the workflow isn't nearly C1s, but it seems to be a great converter, with a ton of control? And--for some shots anyway--it seems to nail skin tone much more easily than C1. And it's the only tethered option right now, right? The other really interesting RAW converter is LightZone. Non-destructive RAW layers for just about everything, including masks, multiple WB, exposure, and a ton more--without Photoshop. Neat. But then you're back to working each file! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted October 17, 2006 Share #24 Posted October 17, 2006 C1 permits a time-limited download -- 15 days for the Pro, 30 days for the LE version. Download the latest version 3.7.5 and you can read an M8 .dng file. From time to time they will charge for an upgrade, but this hasn't happened in several years, due to the competition between C1 and several other products, especially the late, lamented RawShooterPro. They have some workflow drawbacks compared to RSP, but the best color around. Try the JFI b/w profiles with C1 (available at a small cost from JFI) for very good control and tonal range. And the ETC color profiles for several mainstream DSLRs. scott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skimmel Posted October 18, 2006 Share #25 Posted October 18, 2006 C1 is supposedly coming out with a new version, correct? Has anyone seen it or heard any word? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted October 18, 2006 Share #26 Posted October 18, 2006 3.7.5 is the latest update that does support the M8. now there has been talk of version 4 for awhile now, and just not sure where they are at on it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted October 18, 2006 Share #27 Posted October 18, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) Don't quote me because I'm not certain but I believe 4.0 is due out in Spring 2007. I may have remembered that wrong. Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmb_ Posted October 18, 2006 Share #28 Posted October 18, 2006 You are correct Sean. From the Phase One Press Release: "Phase One will launch Capture One 4 LE in the beginning of 2007 and Capture One 4 PRO will launch at the end of quarter 2, 2007." There was also a preview at Photokina. Did anyone look at it there? cb Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rvaubel Posted October 18, 2006 Share #29 Posted October 18, 2006 Although there is quite a bit of difference between the way the RAW converters handle color issues out of the box, I find that after color profiling, you can pretty much make one look like the other. The real issues for me have to do with thru-put and file handleing more than anything. I've tried almost everything for the PC platform and keep coming back to ACR in Photoshop CR2. I use Neat Image plug-in when noise gets hairy (yes, I have an LX1 !) and find I don't really need anything else. But I did download Lightroom yesterday. I wanted to see if it could open M8 DNG files because of the "Seal" controversy on RFF . Much to my surprise, I really liked it, especially the way it handled curve adjustments. I never saw anything like that before. File handling is also interesting and allows one to keep their Bridge legacy intact. I expect the color issues will be fine. Normally the least of my problems as long as I concess to spending long hours with my trusty GretaMacbeth color chart and hundreds of reiterations in whatevers method of color profiling the software has. Rex Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdb Posted October 18, 2006 Share #30 Posted October 18, 2006 Guy, You wrote "They are right now with Sandisk if you buy a card you get the LE version for free" Beware! this only works for Compact Flash cards, not SD cards. At least for the moment... How would you do with your DMRs and your future M8? Cheers Gérard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted October 18, 2006 Share #31 Posted October 18, 2006 I will most likely use C1 for both. What I am expecting is the file from the M8 will look very much like the DMR in terms of color and such . What i am hoping for is there really is little differnce in the file and tweaking one too much the other is something that I won't have to do. The one image of the lady that we got to play with looked very much like a DMR file the way it handled in C1. I do like Lightroom also becuase it took the engine from Raw shooters premium and used the functions in Lightroom. But i can tell that Lightroom also needs a calibration , it was running a little pink in skin tones. But still very good but blue skies that look purple is also a dead giveaway that it needs some calibration Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
waterlenz Posted October 18, 2006 Share #32 Posted October 18, 2006 Another issue is 'asset management, which Lightroom is going to integrate with raw conversion. Apple is doing this too with their product though no Leica DMR support. Will the new pro C1 'go with the flow' and provide asset management too????? Good for workflow!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted October 18, 2006 Share #33 Posted October 18, 2006 I do like Lightroom also becuase it took the engine from Raw shooters premium and used the functions in Lightroom. But i can tell that Lightroom also needs a calibration , it was running a little pink in skin tones. But still very good but blue skies that look purple is also a dead giveaway that it needs some calibration I might get to like Lightroom, but I'm not there yet. The engine in LR is still ACR's engine. There was much discussion of this point on the legacy Pixmantec forum on which RSP fanatics can still post their feedback to Adobe, and it was confirmed by Michael Tapes and George Jardine. The LR team seemed to feel that ACR was good enough and that the workflow and user interface knowledge that Michael Johnsson could bring to LR was a more important asset to capture first from their acquisition. Personally, I think there is a combination of schedule pressure and NIH behind this decision, and I will miss the color controls of RSP plus the especially compact and effective way that its Color Engine encapsulated the ETC profiles that we knew from COne. scott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnastovall Posted October 18, 2006 Share #34 Posted October 18, 2006 I've been watching this thread with much interest. I'm a confirmed Photoshop CS2/ACR user for my Canon work since with Bridge I'm not jumping between apps and as an academic get it a a very good price. Just how much would my work flow have to change if I add in C1 for my M8? Can I go all the way from RAW to final print in it or will I have to at some point move back to Photoshop? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted October 18, 2006 Share #35 Posted October 18, 2006 Just how much would my work flow have to change if I add in C1 for my M8? Can I go all the way from RAW to final print in it or will I have to at some point move back to Photoshop? It can't be long before you can handle the M8 in ACR-based apps as well. But to answer your question, COne takes a RAW file all the way to a JPEG or Tiff, resizing for output and with nice batch controls built in. You only need PS when local corrections are needed. And some like to use third party noise removers, since COne's capabilities there are fairly simple. scott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrgeoffrion Posted October 18, 2006 Share #36 Posted October 18, 2006 Just how much would my work flow have to change if I add in C1 for my M8? Can I go all the way from RAW to final print in it or will I have to at some point move back to Photoshop? It depends on what your workflow currently includes. Do you have specific actions that you run on *all* your raw files after you have adjusted the settings for example? CaptureOne will allow you to adjust the raw file, crop, rotate, and export to your favorite format. From there, any dodging, burning, etc. will need to be done in a separate application. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnastovall Posted October 18, 2006 Share #37 Posted October 18, 2006 It depends on what your workflow currently includes. Do you have specific actions that you run on *all* your raw files after you have adjusted the settings for example? CaptureOne will allow you to adjust the raw file, crop, rotate, and export to your favorite format. From there, any dodging, burning, etc. will need to be done in a separate application. Thanks, you answered my question. No, I have no specific action for all raws. I may out of a hundred images end up only moving a dozen to ACR and maybe only half of those on to photoshop. I need to look at the formats one can export to. I would want 16bit tiffs at a minimum in ProPhoto color space. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrgeoffrion Posted October 18, 2006 Share #38 Posted October 18, 2006 I need to look at the formats one can export to. I would want 16bit tiffs at a minimum in ProPhoto color space. You can export to JPG, or TIFF (8/16 bits) from CaptureOne without any problem (even simultaneously with the Pro version). As Scott mentioned, the only thing CaptureOne won't allow you to do is localized adjustments, as well as advanced noise reduction and other "plug-ins" or actions. From the look of it, you should be fine with CaptureOne. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted October 18, 2006 Share #39 Posted October 18, 2006 I would want 16bit tiffs at a minimum in ProPhoto color space. John, JR doesn't mention this explicity, but yes, C1 supports any profile you have installed, and works well with ProPhoto. Personally, though, I'm a big fan of John Holmes's color spaces, and he now has some optimised for digital capture. But his "generic" / ektachrome optimised "ChomeSpace 100" is my all-round-generic space for RAW output, and works very well, especially if you print yourself or need to go to CMYK, where ProPhoto can be a bit much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted October 18, 2006 Share #40 Posted October 18, 2006 So I'm replying to my own post with a more pointed question: Does anyone who has an M8 DNG know if FlexColor (the Imacon RAW program that works with the DMR) also work with the M8? I gotta say, as a long-time C1 user, the more I use FlexColor, the more I like it. It has built in-versions from RAW (embedded within), so you can go back to, say, a BW version and a color version of the RAW with different contrast, etc...Very cool. I also found out how to apply settings from one file to many others, so the workflow difference to C1 is getting narrower... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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