msr Posted October 16, 2006 Share #1 Posted October 16, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) I know that the M8 will come with CaptureOne LE to convert the raw files. I have no experience with this software and my question is directed to those of you that already have experience using CaptureOne Pro: How much more useful is the Pro version over that of the LE version? I couldn't answer my question from looking at the CaptureOne web site. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted October 16, 2006 Posted October 16, 2006 Hi msr, Take a look here M8 raw converter. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
cboudier Posted October 16, 2006 Share #2 Posted October 16, 2006 The Pro version allow you to batch process more photos at the same time. There are certainly other difference, but this is the main one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptomsu Posted October 16, 2006 Share #3 Posted October 16, 2006 I have the PRO version since 2 years, used it for Olympus E1, and still using it for Nikon D2X and DMR. THis SW is worth every Cent! Peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted October 16, 2006 Share #4 Posted October 16, 2006 Some of the differences i can rememeber. I bought the Po version right off the bat 4 years ago. Tethered shooting , Profiles and batch from I remember. I think there is a comparision chart on there site Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrgeoffrion Posted October 16, 2006 Share #5 Posted October 16, 2006 I know that the M8 will come with CaptureOne LE to convert the raw files. I have no experience with this software and my question is directed to those of you that already have experience using CaptureOne Pro: How much more useful is the Pro version over that of the LE version? I couldn't answer my question from looking at the CaptureOne web site. Here is a link to the comparison of the two software: Phase One - Digital camera software - Digital SLR - Capture One Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted October 16, 2006 Share #6 Posted October 16, 2006 Thanks JR . I think once you register your version of LE from the M8 that you can upgrade to the Pro version for a upgrade price. That also maybe on there site Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdb Posted October 16, 2006 Share #7 Posted October 16, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) I have acquired 3 RAW processors besides Adobe Camera Raw: Capture one Pro, Pixmantec RawShooter (which is said to be the Raw processor part of Adobe's Lightroom), and Silkypix. My preferred one is Capture One Pro by far. The color rendition and the focus enhancements are fantastic. Just after, I would choose Pixmantec RawShooter which has a very nice sharpening tool for details and focusing too. Silkypix is interesting because it reads D-Lux 2 raw files but is no better than Adobe Camera Raw. This just my opinion: no offence to nobody; still it is true that I spent much more time working with Capture One than Silkypix or Camera Raw. The problem with all these processors is that by enhancing focusing, they draw a kind of light unnatural line or halo around the sharpened object which is not really beautiful and shows the digital origin of the picture too much, compared to a scanned slide: These are two examples taken out of pictures of the famous “Valentré Devil’s bridge” in Cahors, SW of France. Picture 1 is a scanned slide taken in 1988, and picture 2 is a R9/DMR file processed with Capture One: http://www.leica-camera-user.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=11850&stc=1&d=1161021000 Picture 1: scanned slide (Nikon Coolscan V ED , Nikon Scan 4): no line around the roof, but more noise in the sky. _____________________________________________ http://www.leica-camera-user.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=11851&stc=1&d=1161021000 Picture 2: Digital image with the arrows showing the clear line around the sharpened roof. Still, especially for DNG and R9/DMR, Capture One is great. I understand Leica's choice to deliver Capture One with M8. I think that results will be just outstanding. The choice of PhotoElements 3 for the DMR was kind of "unprofessional"... Best thoughts to everyone Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/7261-m8-raw-converter/?do=findComment&comment=71343'>More sharing options...
gdb Posted October 16, 2006 Share #8 Posted October 16, 2006 Oops! I forgot to sign my previous post, and I did not find the way to insert the pictures exactly where I wanted them to appear. Moreover, I did not insert the arrow in picture 2 So here is the picture 2 with its arrow Best thoughts to everyone Gérard Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/7261-m8-raw-converter/?do=findComment&comment=71376'>More sharing options...
jrgeoffrion Posted October 16, 2006 Share #9 Posted October 16, 2006 Oops! I forgot to sign my previous post, and I did not find the way to insert the pictures exactly where I wanted them to appear. Moreover, I did not insert the arrow in picture 2 So here is the picture 2 with its arrow Best thoughts to everyone Gérard Gérard, The halo is typical of high contrast areas. To minimize the halo, lower the sharpening amount and it should go away. Playing with the radius will vary the width of the "halo". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdb Posted October 17, 2006 Share #10 Posted October 17, 2006 Oh, JR Thanks for the advice ! You made me understand the meaning of the "radius" command ! As I did not notice its effect when I first tried it, I just ignored till now. But I'll work on it... We never study manuals enough... Cheers Gérard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted October 17, 2006 Share #11 Posted October 17, 2006 The simple answer, I think, would be to work with LE for awhile and see if it's limiting you. Pro's flexibility with color profiling can be an asset for many but you may not need it. Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted October 17, 2006 Share #12 Posted October 17, 2006 Oops! I forgot to sign my previous post, and I did not find the way to insert the pictures exactly where I wanted them to appear. Moreover, I did not insert the arrow in picture 2 So here is the picture 2 with its arrow Best thoughts to everyone Gérard If one does not sharpen during post processing and only sharpens in the final stage using a dedicated sharpening programme like for instance Focal Blade, this kind of artifacts can be avoided. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wparsonsgisnet Posted October 17, 2006 Share #13 Posted October 17, 2006 I have acquired 3 RAW processors besides Adobe Camera Raw: Capture one Pro, Pixmantec RawShooter (which is said to be the Raw processor part of Adobe's Lightroom), and Silkypix. My preferred one is Capture One Pro by far. The color rendition and the focus enhancements are fantastic. Just after, I would choose Pixmantec RawShooter which has a very nice sharpening tool for details and focusing too. Silkypix is interesting because it reads D-Lux 2 raw files but is no better than Adobe Camera Raw. This just my opinion: no offence to nobody; still it is true that I spent much more time working with Capture One than Silkypix or Camera Raw. I am contemplating purchasing the upgrade to C1 after using it a while. Does anyone care to comment on C1 versus Adobe RAW? Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted October 17, 2006 Share #14 Posted October 17, 2006 I am contemplating purchasing the upgrade to C1 after using it a while. Does anyone care to comment on C1 versus Adobe RAW? Thanks. Hi Bill, With respect to the M8, I can tell you that the best conversions of the RAW files I've seen so far have been with C1. PhaseOne and Leica collaborated on support for the camera and it shows. Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wparsonsgisnet Posted October 17, 2006 Share #15 Posted October 17, 2006 Sean, In another thread, about the manual, I noted the statement that there was a collaboration, and that it should lead to this superior end. SO -- did you get the new C1-PRO to use while testing the M8, as well? Should we all run right out and buy the C1-PRO software? Thanks for the response. I've now ordered the M8 (in silver, I hope), an everready case, a hand grip, an extra battery, and the 1.25 magnifier. If all I need to add is the C1 upgrade, the piggy bank isn't going to squeal too much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted October 17, 2006 Share #16 Posted October 17, 2006 Bill I would not run out and buy C1 pro off the bat. Wait till the M8 comes with the LE package for free than you can upgrade. i bet you a dozen donuts right now they will offer a upgrade to Pro for the M8 users. They are right now with Sandisk if you buy a card you get the LE version for free. Now is the Pro version worth it, i think it was the best 500 I spent. Folks need to realize this is your processing dollars total 500 bucks . I have had it for 4 or 5 years now and maybe put a hundred thousand images through it or more. If you do the math it becomes very cheap. it is just that initial 500 bucks that gets you , been there done that but really I am glad i did Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wparsonsgisnet Posted October 17, 2006 Share #17 Posted October 17, 2006 Thanks, Guy. Just what I wanted to hear. I will, of course, play with it before fronting the upgrade bucks. I agree that it is reasonably priced. How about upgrades? Are they free? Thanks, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
msr Posted October 17, 2006 Author Share #18 Posted October 17, 2006 Thanks everyone for both the number and for the quality of the responses. I just hope the learning curve won't be too sharp after crossing over from Adobe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted October 17, 2006 Share #19 Posted October 17, 2006 I have been doing updates for free for awhile , but i am not sure how LE works in that regard. You may want to check there site to gather some more info Phase One - Digital camera software - Digital SLR - CAPTURE ONE DSLR Once you get into the workflow and understand it than it really is good. Folks need to understand also when they get there M8 that this stuff is going to take time to learn to squeeze the absolute best out of these files. i hope folks have that patience and willingness to learn. it really is a new ballgame . But this will come with a lot of friendly advice from folks that been around this block a few times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wparsonsgisnet Posted October 17, 2006 Share #20 Posted October 17, 2006 So, we need Scott Fraser to bring out "Capturing Real RAW" to tell us how to do all this. I have looked at Phase One's site a number of times since Sean Reid mentioned in his (don't miss 'em) reviews that he uses it. They don't post a manual or any how-to stuff. That would be really nice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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