sdai Posted October 20, 2008 Share #21 Posted October 20, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) If Leica is really going to build a R10 based on the same sensor technology found in the S2, I don't see any good reason to blow more money on the S2 unless of course, you want more native pixels to print extra large. With the identical pixel pitch of 6 microns, a smaller R10 sensor with 24 megapixels will only do much better especially in the noise department, and the power consumption is much less. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mooky Posted October 20, 2008 Share #22 Posted October 20, 2008 Ouch! $1200 big ones for the solar charger - but compared to the cost of an S2, it's relatively speaking, it could be worse. Will the S2 take or have anything close to an alternative battery like AA's? The solar charger would be good if it could push enough juice and/or have 3 or 4 extra's always being charged. After my SL2 mot and R motors, I was rather disappointed the R8 and 9 had such weak, proprietary battery packs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMac Posted October 21, 2008 Share #23 Posted October 21, 2008 I think I'd be tempted, re: DMR remote location use, to DIY a voltage regulator (VR) to adapt say a Canon 1Ds2 12V 2200mah battery (or any other longer-life camera battery of 7.4V or higher and rated to take the current draw of the DMR) down to the 7.4V required by the DMR. The current rating of the Canon battery exceeds that of the DMR battery (1800mah), so there'd be no issue it running hot. I used to make such adapters all the time to run (the lower voltage) iPods, etc off the 12V DC of our motorcycles charging systems. Such a VR can be waterproofed and calibrated to the exact voltage required. It would easily fit inside a dead DMR battery housing and could be put together for a couple of bucks by any competent enthusiast. Any 7.4v to say 12V battery that can supply the current draw of the DMR could be used. Gut a dead DMR battery (to be able to use the contacts,) slide the waterproofed VR inside the shell if you want to save space, wire it to a jack (a basic stereo male/female headphone jack style unit would work easily) of choice installed on the end of the battery shell, cobble together a connector (say using a 1Ds2 battery cap if using a Canon battery) and some coiled 2 conductor wire and you're good to go. You can make it as robust/small/weatherproof as your heart and creativity desires. God knows there are enough camera/video batteries out there to choose from for such a backup unit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilfredo Posted November 6, 2008 Share #24 Posted November 6, 2008 The question was, who will buy one? I won't, because I'm not in the right income bracket Cheers, Wilfredo http://www.BenitzRivera.com . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EH21 Posted November 6, 2008 Share #25 Posted November 6, 2008 I doubt I'll buy one either at the prices that have been tossed about. I'm not worried about the body, but more so about the lenses. I've been down this path with my DMR.... the lenses are like an addiction, once you have one you can't stop until you've tried them all. But I might hang in there for an R10, or maybe not. Watch the buy and sell... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 6, 2008 Share #26 Posted November 6, 2008 Battery charging is an issue for the DMR because each battery pack lasts only a couple hundred photos (depending on chimping). When car-camping I use the vehicle's 12-volt outlet overnight to charge batteries. I'd also look into solar chargers and AA-powered chargers. DMR batteries refuse to charge in high temperatures too, I found. I carry four and two chargers on an extented trip and it is barely sufficient. I won't buy an S2. If it were just the body,ok, but to toss all my R lenses and go broke on S2 replacements -no. R10 for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkphoto Posted November 6, 2008 Share #27 Posted November 6, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) I had a chance to handle the S2 at the PhotoPlus show at the Javitz in NYC a couple of weeks ago, and to my hands at least, it was a very large, heavy and tough to handle camera. The Hasseblads and Mamiyas that offer similar sensor sizes and MP were much more comfortable in the hand. I was disappointed for sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilfredo Posted November 7, 2008 Share #28 Posted November 7, 2008 I had a chance to handle the S2 at the PhotoPlus show at the Javitz in NYC a couple of weeks ago, and to my hands at least, it was a very large, heavy and tough to handle camera. The Hasseblads and Mamiyas that offer similar sensor sizes and MP were much more comfortable in the hand. I was disappointed for sure. My hands are medium size, not large, so it sounds like a camera for men with bulky large hands? Does anyone know when the R10 will be coming into the scene? Could the strategy be that it will be seen as a bargain priced camera in comparison to the S2 therefore it will sell like hot cakes? Cheers, Wilfredo+ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentleman Villain Posted November 7, 2008 Author Share #29 Posted November 7, 2008 I hope the damn thing weight 100lbs Suffering makes for great art and it ain't a real photo shoot unless somebody gets hurt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogberry Posted November 10, 2008 Share #30 Posted November 10, 2008 The smaller pixel pitch on the S2 is a real shame. The appeal of medium format is not just more pixels but the bigger pixels on those big MF sensors. As others have also pointed out, the price will also deter all but the most determined buyers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildlightphoto Posted November 10, 2008 Share #31 Posted November 10, 2008 The smaller pixel pitch on the S2 is a real shame. Don't despair, I suspect Kodak has pulled a few tricks out of their hat in making this sensor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted November 10, 2008 Share #32 Posted November 10, 2008 Well the 6.8 micron sensors of the P45 plus 39mpx and the P30 31mpx sensors are nothing to sneeze at. I do have the 9 micron P25 plus 22mpx and it is awesome but the P45 plus will edge me out after a 30 x40. It is not as bad as it sounds in MF , 35mm yes but MF these sensors are big. The S2 this area is about the least of my concerns is the actually quality of the file. Everything else that goes with that is the area that i am looking at and speed being one of them but I do like the fact i have big fat pixels. My back can really produce a top notch file. Ah heck with it I am going to post a couple shots from the P25 plus all with the Mamiya 28mm. If the S2 can match this or beat it than it will sell just fine Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/65894-i-want-an-s2anybody-else-gonna-buy-one/?do=findComment&comment=710576'>More sharing options...
mooky Posted November 10, 2008 Share #33 Posted November 10, 2008 Nice shots Guy,,,,,,,,, I'm thinking that the S2 was conceived with the ability to match or surpass the quality of the goods you used for the shots here. Too, I think it will sell just fine; it's not the biggest market but there are more than enough people with the dollars available to buy and use them. I'd still like to see final spec's on it including the cost of the wide angles (supposedly available without the leaf shutter) before I would start scheming my finances. But if I am so lucky, I can't imagine having more than a couple of lenses. I too am interested in the R10 as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted November 10, 2008 Share #34 Posted November 10, 2008 I agree it should match or exceed this or there would simply be no reason to bring to market. The S2 will have advantages over what I have today also. Speed at 1.5 fps is a serious improvement, the hope of a good ISO 1600 should be another. Plus the combo of leaf and focal plane shutters is also very very attractive. Besides the Leica glass just a few lenses that are NOT on the market today from Leica 30mm T/S comes to mind immediately. Not should it only appeal to the 35mm shooter wanting to jump up it also needs to be compelling for shooters like me sitting on current MF gear that want to do a lateral move or even add to there existing system. Okay huge bank roll there but the S2 still has the one downfall with tech camera's so even myself maybe just keep my back for that stuff and add this system for everything else. Point being there are many options and different types of shooters that makes this very compelling. Wedding guys should jump all over this and fashion shooters , this camera is right up there alley. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted November 10, 2008 Share #35 Posted November 10, 2008 BTW I should add that these were processed in C1 Pro with lens correction applied to the for distortion, CA, purple fringing, corner sharpness, light falloff not that I used them all but they are there if needed. On these mostly the lens distortion that get's rid of the wide angle bulge normally in super wides which translates with this back size into a 21mm FF lens. So no perceived degradation noticed with these corrections. I know some folks are worried about these type of corrections actually down grading the image but I simply don't see it myself. I would also imagine that these corrections would be available to the Leica lenses if needed in C1 since that will be the preferred software. Even if they say the MTF's are prefect with the S2 glass i cannot believe there is not some barrel distortion in the extreme wide angles. That is something you just have to show me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevelap Posted November 11, 2008 Share #36 Posted November 11, 2008 I went to a seminar in London a few days ago (BJP-Vision) and spent a little time talking to the ProCentre people. They are a Hasselblad dealership who, as their name suggests, specialise in renting out MF and other high-end gear to professional photographers. I asked about their plans, if any, for the S2 and what they thought about it. They said that they would certainly be interested in carrying it, as the announcement had stirred up interest amongst MF users and other pro's, depending of course upon price, performance and crucially Leica's commitment to providing a professional level of support. There was a pro Leica M8 user there who joined in the discussion and, slightly off topic, one of the guest speakers (Sam Faulkner, talking about his project to document the narcotics trade in the Americas) had used Leica film M's on an earlier trip to Columbia and now had an M8. At the very least it proves that the M8 has a (professional) life outside the forum:) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted November 11, 2008 Share #37 Posted November 11, 2008 I used it also for quite a long time before buying the MF gear so yes even commercial work it can be done. It's a little harder because of certain limitations of RF but my files never suffered and clients where very happy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlatkob Posted November 11, 2008 Share #38 Posted November 11, 2008 Wedding guys should jump all over this and fashion shooters, this camera is right up there alley. It looks like a great camera but, speaking as a wedding guy, it doesn't have immediate appeal for weddings. The reason is that wedding photos are rarely printed larger than 8x10" or 11x14", at least in my market. 35mm-sized DSLRs have replaced medium format as the preferred tool of wedding photographers. I believe that relatively few wedding photographers are willing to spend even $7-8K on a Canon 1DsIII. Most have been very satisfied with results from cameras in the $3K-5K price range, like the D3, D700, 5D and 1D series. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevelap Posted November 11, 2008 Share #39 Posted November 11, 2008 I used it also for quite a long time before buying the MF gear so yes even commercial work it can be done. It's a little harder because of certain limitations of RF but my files never suffered and clients where very happy. That's the impression I got from my conversation Guy. Let's hope the S2 can carve an even bigger niche for itself. (That should of course have read 'Colombia' in my earlier post by the way:) ). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted November 11, 2008 Share #40 Posted November 11, 2008 That maybe very true but it is not always about resolution and honestly buying MF there other more important reasons 12 stops of DR is a lot of tonal range compared to the best i have seen in 35mm is 8 maybe 9 . The other is blown highlights which in MF is the best solution to avoid it. I just shot a friends wedding and had a huge issue with the sun setting over a building and going through trees. The faces are in the sun and the shoulders down in the shade and the blue sky over there head. Very hard for any camera to deal with that range. I was able to handle that with great ease without blowing keeping shadow detail and trying to balance that all out. Here you need all those benefits of MF. Couple quick examples on how i was able to tame the beast. This is very hard if the range is just not there and even with a Metz flash hard to get enough juice to match the sun and sky. Now i will be the first guy to tell you it is slow, heavy,bulky, expensive and hard to work with. You lose 2 stops of DOF your 5.6 is f2.8 with regards to DOF but when I need big than there is nothing better. I tend to go on the safe side of big because i have been burned badly by clients in other area's making banners the size of houses and you files just don't hold up. Not any more but this comes at the costs listed above,certainly not for everyone and seriously you better be prepared to know what you are getting into. The S2 does bridge that gap a little better between 35mm and MF and the big reason I am looking at this closely. I am more a 35mm style shooter that needs big files. This is exactly the niche Leica looks to fill. Darn can't load up images , will try again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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