kobold Posted October 4, 2006 Share #1 Posted October 4, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) Must shoot Raw Must have optical finder, even if poor---IMHO, any optical finder is better than any EVF---but willing to be convinced otherwise. I guess if the EVF was good, I might go that way---but I find that I cannot take photos at arms' length, so some sort of finder essential 28mm equiv. or wider wide end 70+ long end (I walk closer if I can!) smaller is better (I have other tools for work) Brand totally unimportant; IQ is Am in Vancouver working, so assume there would be a good store downtown---please advise if you know! cheers, KL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted October 4, 2006 Posted October 4, 2006 Hi kobold, Take a look here Is there a small camera that has the following:. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
sean_reid Posted October 4, 2006 Share #2 Posted October 4, 2006 Hi Kit, Best small camera I've tested so far is probably the D-Lux 2. Glue on a hotshoe and use optical finders. A friend of mine went a step further and marked the lens position (for various focal lengths) on the barrel using a permanent marker. Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
philipotto Posted October 4, 2006 Share #3 Posted October 4, 2006 How about a D-LUX 2 or D-LUX 3 with a viewfinder glued on. Simon posted some photos of his DL2 on the old forum and it looked marvelous, decked out in Luigi case and 28mm finder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobold Posted October 4, 2006 Author Share #4 Posted October 4, 2006 Sean, Philip: thanks. Sean, could you expand on the marking the barrel with a marker idea? Having not seen one of these, I am not sure of the significance of doing that. I am guessing that you mean setting the focal length visually this way to suit a particular finder? And Philip, if you could find that image in the old furum I'd be grateful. cheers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
philipotto Posted October 4, 2006 Share #5 Posted October 4, 2006 I was looking for it in the old forum, in fact thats how Sean beat me to the reply =). Unfortunately at this time there isnt a provision to search the old forum. HMK Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted October 4, 2006 Share #6 Posted October 4, 2006 Search the new forum as it was posted some time ago here as well.... I think it was Simon with the info Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterb Posted October 4, 2006 Share #7 Posted October 4, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) Sure. This one... The Lumix Lx 1 (or if your prefer the Leica D Lux 2 or the new Lumix LX2 or Leica D Lux 2)...and this Voigtlander accessory attachement I glued on with 3M double stick wall mounting tape (for pots and pans and other heavy items), trimmed to the contour of the base. It fits perfectly between the flash and the mode dial. (I know it looks like the flash won't open, it's snug but it does open. I probably could have trimmed the adhesive even better.) And it allows you to mount their 28mm viewfinder. ALl perfectly aligned with the axis of the lens. Enjoy. P Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/6582-is-there-a-small-camera-that-has-the-following/?do=findComment&comment=63847'>More sharing options...
philipotto Posted October 4, 2006 Share #8 Posted October 4, 2006 Check out this thread: http://www.leica-camera-user.com/digital-forum/4299-d-lux-2-photos-can-there.html?highlight=luigi Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/6582-is-there-a-small-camera-that-has-the-following/?do=findComment&comment=63849'>More sharing options...
philipotto Posted October 4, 2006 Share #9 Posted October 4, 2006 =) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/6582-is-there-a-small-camera-that-has-the-following/?do=findComment&comment=63850'>More sharing options...
peterb Posted October 4, 2006 Share #10 Posted October 4, 2006 Philip, too funny! We must have both been uploading images at the same time! B.T.W. the bottom two shots are me in my first attempts to show people what I'd done. I didn't have a second camera handy so I tried to shoot the configuration with the LX1 and a pocket mirror against a wall mirror at a resort I was staying in over Labor Day. I later took the shots which are just above your for greater clarity. I really like the minifinder on the D-Lux 2. They seem made for each other. P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted October 4, 2006 Share #11 Posted October 4, 2006 Sean, Philip: thanks. Sean, could you expand on the marking the barrel with a marker idea? Having not seen one of these, I am not sure of the significance of doing that. I am guessing that you mean setting the focal length visually this way to suit a particular finder? And Philip, if you could find that image in the old furum I'd be grateful. cheers. Hi Kit, Take a look at my review on the site. The markings on the lens barrel would be so you could quickly get to the right positions for 35, 50, 75, etc. There's a picture of the finder on the camera in my review. Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rvaubel Posted October 4, 2006 Share #12 Posted October 4, 2006 It's the LX1 for me too. Also with the glued on VC 28-35mm Minifinder. By the way, you can take off the slide on part of the finder (that goes in the non-existent hotshoe) and make it even more compact. Gorilla glue works well. The thread that was referenced makes interesting reading. In that thread I referred jokingly (I thought ) to people who chimp, at arms length to compose their pictures as "the great unwashed". One of our members took umbrage at such a characterization and made light of my name, Rex, as being a name worthy of only a dog, a pet he had with the same name "Rex" To which I replied Arf, Rex Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterb Posted October 4, 2006 Share #13 Posted October 4, 2006 So that's where 'chimping' came from. Very funny. Great expression! P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobold Posted October 4, 2006 Author Share #14 Posted October 4, 2006 The LX-1 is very cheap these days (~$350) or so. If you were going to shoot only Raw, what are the advantages of the LX-2 over its older sister? One of the things I like about Raw is the old excitement of 'developing' images after a trip. And as for 'chimping': that's the reason for the finder---I just don't seem to be able to shoot that way. Too old to learn new tricks, I guess. Arf! I have had another look at the specs (LX-1 and 2)---for Raw, there does not seem to be any difference---or does the new processing engine affect Raw images as well? cheers and thanks to all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rvaubel Posted October 4, 2006 Share #15 Posted October 4, 2006 The LX-1 is very cheap these days (~$350) or so. If you were going to shoot only Raw, what are the advantages of the LX-2 over its older sister? One of the things I like about Raw is the old excitement of 'developing' images after a trip. And as for 'chimping': that's the reason for the finder---I just don't seem to be able to shoot that way. Too old to learn new tricks, I guess. Arf! I have had another look at the specs (LX-1 and 2)---for Raw, there does not seem to be any difference---or does the new processing engine affect Raw images as well? cheers and thanks to all. I think the LX1 is a better camera. Less pixels=less noise. Although I like the LX1 for outdoor work, I just about gave up on it for existing light. However, I discovered Neat Image (which I neverneeded for my RD1 or 20D) and it looks like I may be able to coax 400 ISO out of this thing. Maybe Rex arf, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomaspin Posted October 5, 2006 Share #16 Posted October 5, 2006 http://pindelski.org/Photography/2006/04/29/the-leica-dp-part-i/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonathangraham Posted October 5, 2006 Share #17 Posted October 5, 2006 I have found the ricoh GRD with voightlander 28mm optical external viewfinder my favorite small digital. It has no zoom, but other characteristics make this a superb grunge camera. Quite expensive, but IMHO worth it. Some of my shots are here: http://www.rangefinderforum.com/photopost/showgallery.php?cat=6210 The 1600 iso is very 'filmlike' and you have complete manual control. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/6582-is-there-a-small-camera-that-has-the-following/?do=findComment&comment=65164'>More sharing options...
rob_x2004 Posted October 5, 2006 Share #18 Posted October 5, 2006 Rex, we shall refer to you now as "Inspector" Anyway, have you a pic of your 25-35? Regards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobold Posted October 6, 2006 Author Share #19 Posted October 6, 2006 Thomas: thank you. Read the whole six parts of that review and left brief comments. The only Q. that I had was aligning the finder accurately---or did you simply line it up with the edges? Unless a camera is SO portable as to be with you automatically, it's definitely not a 'walk-around' camera, I agree---and it does not matter what's at home in the camera cabinet when you see something you want to shoot! There has been some speculation here and over at fredmiranda (see: Dos a camera with these specs exist? - FM Forums as to whether the LX-1 or 2 is better in regards to noise---if you are going to shoot Raw, as I always do, then maybe less pixels on that tiny chip might be actually better. Now---if only someone owned both and was able to test.... cheers, KL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted October 6, 2006 Share #20 Posted October 6, 2006 LuLa's Michael Reichmann briefly compares the Panasonic LX-1 (which he owns) and LX-2 under the title "Wide Aspect Ratio" about 2/3 down the page at Luminous landscape. He remarks that "Image quality [of the LX-2] ranges from comparable to slightly lower that that of the LX-1...." I'm very happy with my Digilux 2, but noise is bad at ISO 400. Image quality otherwise is very nice, image stabilization of questionable usefulness. Though I dislike doing it, I've grown accustomed to holding the camera at arms' length. Remember--an attached finder obviously won't zoom with the lens. So read the various reviews and take your pick. The Digilux 2 was available only in silver; I think the Digilux 3 is available only in black. Either of them or their Panasonic brethren should treat you right. Enjoy! --HC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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