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Must shoot Raw

 

Must have optical finder, even if poor---IMHO, any optical finder is better than any EVF---but willing to be convinced otherwise. I guess if the EVF was good, I might go that way---but I find that I cannot take photos at arms' length, so some sort of finder essential

 

28mm equiv. or wider wide end

 

70+ long end (I walk closer if I can!)

 

smaller is better (I have other tools for work)

 

Brand totally unimportant; IQ is

 

Am in Vancouver working, so assume there would be a good store downtown---please advise if you know! cheers, KL

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Hi Kit,

 

Best small camera I've tested so far is probably the D-Lux 2. Glue on a hotshoe and use optical finders. A friend of mine went a step further and marked the lens position (for various focal lengths) on the barrel using a permanent marker.

 

Cheers,

 

Sean

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Sean, Philip: thanks.

 

Sean, could you expand on the marking the barrel with a marker idea? Having not seen one of these, I am not sure of the significance of doing that. I am guessing that you mean setting the focal length visually this way to suit a particular finder?

 

And Philip, if you could find that image in the old furum I'd be grateful. cheers.

 

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Sure. This one... The Lumix Lx 1 (or if your prefer the Leica D Lux 2 or the new Lumix LX2 or Leica D Lux 2)...and this Voigtlander accessory attachement I glued on with 3M double stick wall mounting tape (for pots and pans and other heavy items), trimmed to the contour of the base. It fits perfectly between the flash and the mode dial. (I know it looks like the flash won't open, it's snug but it does open. I probably could have trimmed the adhesive even better.) And it allows you to mount their 28mm viewfinder. ALl perfectly aligned with the axis of the lens. Enjoy.

 

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Check out this thread:

http://www.leica-camera-user.com/digital-forum/4299-d-lux-2-photos-can-there.html?highlight=luigi

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Philip, too funny! We must have both been uploading images at the same time! B.T.W. the bottom two shots are me in my first attempts to show people what I'd done. I didn't have a second camera handy so I tried to shoot the configuration with the LX1 and a pocket mirror against a wall mirror at a resort I was staying in over Labor Day. I later took the shots which are just above your for greater clarity.

 

I really like the minifinder on the D-Lux 2. They seem made for each other.

 

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Sean, Philip: thanks.

 

Sean, could you expand on the marking the barrel with a marker idea? Having not seen one of these, I am not sure of the significance of doing that. I am guessing that you mean setting the focal length visually this way to suit a particular finder?

 

And Philip, if you could find that image in the old furum I'd be grateful. cheers.

 

 

Hi Kit,

 

Take a look at my review on the site. The markings on the lens barrel would be so you could quickly get to the right positions for 35, 50, 75, etc. There's a picture of the finder on the camera in my review.

 

Cheers,

 

Sean

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It's the LX1 for me too. Also with the glued on VC 28-35mm Minifinder. By the way, you can take off the slide on part of the finder (that goes in the non-existent hotshoe) and make it even more compact. Gorilla glue works well.

The thread that was referenced makes interesting reading. In that thread I referred jokingly (I thought ) to people who chimp, at arms length to compose their pictures as "the great unwashed". One of our members took umbrage at such a characterization and made light of my name, Rex, as being a name worthy of only a dog, a pet he had with the same name "Rex"

 

To which I replied

 

Arf,

Rex

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The LX-1 is very cheap these days (~$350) or so. If you were going to shoot only Raw, what are the advantages of the LX-2 over its older sister?

 

One of the things I like about Raw is the old excitement of 'developing' images after a trip. And as for 'chimping': that's the reason for the finder---I just don't seem to be able to shoot that way. Too old to learn new tricks, I guess.

 

Arf!

 

I have had another look at the specs (LX-1 and 2)---for Raw, there does not seem to be any difference---or does the new processing engine affect Raw images as well? cheers and thanks to all.

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The LX-1 is very cheap these days (~$350) or so. If you were going to shoot only Raw, what are the advantages of the LX-2 over its older sister?

 

One of the things I like about Raw is the old excitement of 'developing' images after a trip. And as for 'chimping': that's the reason for the finder---I just don't seem to be able to shoot that way. Too old to learn new tricks, I guess.

 

Arf!

 

I have had another look at the specs (LX-1 and 2)---for Raw, there does not seem to be any difference---or does the new processing engine affect Raw images as well? cheers and thanks to all.

 

I think the LX1 is a better camera. Less pixels=less noise.

 

Although I like the LX1 for outdoor work, I just about gave up on it for existing light. However, I discovered Neat Image (which I neverneeded for my RD1 or 20D) and it looks like I may be able to coax 400 ISO out of this thing.

 

Maybe

 

Rex

arf,

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I have found the ricoh GRD with voightlander 28mm optical external viewfinder my favorite small digital. It has no zoom, but other characteristics make this a superb grunge camera.

Quite expensive, but IMHO worth it.

 

Some of my shots are here: http://www.rangefinderforum.com/photopost/showgallery.php?cat=6210

 

The 1600 iso is very 'filmlike' and you have complete manual control.

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Thomas: thank you. Read the whole six parts of that review and left brief comments.

 

The only Q. that I had was aligning the finder accurately---or did you simply line it up with the edges?

 

Unless a camera is SO portable as to be with you automatically, it's definitely not a 'walk-around' camera, I agree---and it does not matter what's at home in the camera cabinet when you see something you want to shoot!

 

There has been some speculation here and over at fredmiranda (see:

 

Dos a camera with these specs exist? - FM Forums

 

as to whether the LX-1 or 2 is better in regards to noise---if you are going to shoot Raw, as I always do, then maybe less pixels on that tiny chip might be actually better.

 

Now---if only someone owned both and was able to test....

 

cheers, KL

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LuLa's Michael Reichmann briefly compares the Panasonic LX-1 (which he owns) and LX-2 under the title "Wide Aspect Ratio" about 2/3 down the page at Luminous landscape. He remarks that "Image quality [of the LX-2] ranges from comparable to slightly lower that that of the LX-1...."

 

I'm very happy with my Digilux 2, but noise is bad at ISO 400.

 

Image quality otherwise is very nice, image stabilization of questionable usefulness. Though I dislike doing it, I've grown accustomed to holding the camera at arms' length.

 

Remember--an attached finder obviously won't zoom with the lens.

 

So read the various reviews and take your pick. The Digilux 2 was available only in silver; I think the Digilux 3 is available only in black. Either of them or their Panasonic brethren should treat you right.

 

Enjoy!

 

--HC

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