Jamie Roberts Posted October 7, 2008 Share #1 Posted October 7, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) So I'm thinking of selling my R9 / DMR and some R lenses. I just can't afford so many systems right now, and the current economy is not helping much. So I need to lighten up a bit... I'm wondering if anyone here has an opinion on the value of a lightly used DMR / R9 these days, preferably in North American terms? I'm trying to gauge prices before listing equipment in the buy and sell section. So: what's your guess and what are your reasons? Jamie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mgcd Posted October 7, 2008 Share #2 Posted October 7, 2008 Why don't you keep track of offerings on E-bay, that might help you gauge. I'm surprised you would be selling your R9/DMR and keeping your M8... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted October 7, 2008 Share #3 Posted October 7, 2008 DMRs don't come up on eBay very often. I know, I've been looking... There's currently only one that I can find. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgcd Posted October 7, 2008 Share #4 Posted October 7, 2008 DMRs don't come up on eBay very often. I know, I've been looking... There's currently only one that I can find. I saw two this past Sunday, but I think you're right... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted October 7, 2008 Share #5 Posted October 7, 2008 It's a down trend in general ... LEICA DIGITAL MODUL-R 10MP BACK FOR R-9 R-8 BODIES - eBay (item 270278964909 end time Oct-02-08 19:30:28 PDT) Leica Digital-Modul-R, very good condition - eBay (item 120308312220 end time Sep-27-08 22:29:38 PDT) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrisfoto Posted October 7, 2008 Share #6 Posted October 7, 2008 Call or email Rich at Photo Village in NYC and ask him. The Photo Village, Inc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMac Posted October 7, 2008 Share #7 Posted October 7, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) It's a tough call. PV and Kurland aren't buying used R gear and the prices they list, like KEH are above Street price. KEH offers silly low prices (to buy gear). Ebay listings/completed auctions are all over the map. Speculators are listing idiotic prices but some complete auctions are shockingly low. Any average is likely skewed one way or the other. I have a couple of WTB ads out in two other forums. Now I almost always find WTB are a waste of time - I almost didn't post them, but though what the hell, you never know. Glad I did. The responses have been almost overwhelming this go 'round - and continuing with emails coming in daily, with a good mix of EU sellers. Some prices asked are obviously from speculators who bought at or near the peak of the pre-Photokina R value who are looking to get their money back, but most offers so far have been fair or within negotiating range of fair. One thing that I have found odd is that EU sellers are asking prices that are now on par with what NA sellers are asking. Dealer listing on used gear in EU also seem more NA-centric than say a year ago. Rare gear like the 35-70/2.8, etc will always have a strong market due to rarity. But the longer we go w/o an R10 to look at and to hold (and that will CATEGORICALLY take the older MF lenses) and the closer we get to ZE lens availability (for Canon shooters), I suspect the worse it will get for 'everyday' lenses/bodies - especially with what is happening in global financial markets. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJP Posted October 7, 2008 Share #8 Posted October 7, 2008 I don't have a R9/DMR but considering that, it is a relatively unusual combo (6000 world wide?) & it still produces absolutely stunning images by any standards (stuff by Jaap springs to mind but there are many more); I would worry about selling it just now. Take a M2, mine was originally bought for 350 NLG or 150 euro (give or take) in 1959 and now is is the 1200+ euro ballpark (according to some pricelists, it is not something I have investigated thoroughly). In between I am sure that you would have seen a loss in value, so wait if you can. Especially if it is rare/unique. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overgaard Posted October 7, 2008 Share #9 Posted October 7, 2008 The financial market is a matter of too few money and to too many stocks and investment items. Thus prices go down. As the market is not floating with DMR's it's unlikely the price of 2nd hand DMR will hit the bottom. The prices I've seen within the last few months would suggest a range from 4.000$ for DMR/R8 to 5,500 for DMR/R9. Give or take a little. I think, when the R10 is released, many DMR users will go for that (provided it's same or better). Perhaps the bla bla about the R10 will create increased interest for Leica, and then the DMR will be a way to get into the system. But the 10 MP is plenty for most shooting for a long while. It's A4 magazine quality. Only newspapers are (generally) larger than that format, and they require much less resolution. I wouldn't hurry about selling the DMR. I don't believe the price will go much lower, why I would enjoy the last years of relatively small write off before I sold it to a poor student for 3,000$ Selling Leica has never been about lowering the price but about waiting for the buyer who wanted it. Film cameras is a different story because the market if flooded with (too) many film cameras, hence the prices are low. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMac Posted October 8, 2008 Share #10 Posted October 8, 2008 $4000-5000 for a DMR sounds about right. When (assumption here) the R10 is released, I suspect you may see some DMRs hit the market and prices tick-down. They'd make a nice backup body (with MF glass)*, but the cost of the R10 and starter AF glass will be dear and not everyone can afford to hold both a DMR+MF glass and acquire an R10+ 2-3 lenses plus VAT on same. I do think you will a spate of R MF glass hit the market upon or as we get closer to an R10 as people thin out their MF lens cabinet of those lenses they don't use often in order to raise cash for an R10+new lenses. *One interesting question is if the new R10 AF lenses will be backwards -compatible. Will you be able to use R10 AF lenses on a DMR as backup if need be? I suspect if they follow the S2 and Nikon G models (e.g. no aperture ring), and there is every reason to suspect they will, the answer will be no. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overgaard Posted October 8, 2008 Share #11 Posted October 8, 2008 If we look at "current history" equipment will get to a level where it seem worthless. Digilux 2 can be acquired for 500 Euro (new price was ca. 2,100 Euro). R8 film body can be acquired for 600-800 Euro (new price was ca. 3,000 Euro). R9 film body is getting there with prices around 1,200 Euro. Digilux 1 can be acquired for 100-200 Euro (new price was ca. 1,100 Euro) Hasselblad film kits are also very low these days, compared to new prices. So it's fair to believe that the R9/DMR combo will hit a level of 2,000 (from a new price of ca. 8,000 Euro) and even 1,000 in some years. So it's a matter of when one can get more not-yet-written-off money on the stuff than one can utilize it. If one doesn't use is, it's just money down the drain. But if one use it and either make money on it or create happy moments for one self and others, it's an easy calculation how much it "will cost" to keep it for another year or perhaps forever. So if I personally calculate that it would "cost me" another 2,000 - 2,500 Euro to have the R9/DMR for another two years, then that's worth it. The S1 (from 1996) is in fact a curious piece of equipment (new price ca. 20,000 Euro) because it sell from nothing to rather high prices (3,000 - 5,000 Euro). All depends on who's buying it and for what. But some still use it for quality work, and for them it's worth money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildlightphoto Posted October 8, 2008 Share #12 Posted October 8, 2008 *One interesting question is if the new R10 AF lenses will be backwards -compatible. Will you be able to use R10 AF lenses on a DMR as backup if need be? I suspect if they follow the S2 and Nikon G models (e.g. no aperture ring), and there is every reason to suspect they will, the answer will be no. The might be usable in program or shutter-priority mode. Not my cuppa tea so I'll be much more interested in the R10 than in S2/G-type lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roguewave Posted October 9, 2008 Share #13 Posted October 9, 2008 From inquiries I have received, from both dealers & interested users, the DMR, on it's own can be sold/bought for around US 2,800 (so-so) to $4,200 (mint). I don't think we will ever see a R10 that would be a natural extension of our current gear. For me, that's OK. I love the DMR and can get results in the digital domain that is artistically satisfying. More important is that I love film, so I can't envision myself in the position of giving up my 3 R8's & all the R lenses. I use them & they perform wonderfully in both worlds. I don't want auto focus. I bought some Hasselblad equipment dirt cheap. This format is also very satisfying. Some of the most astonishing images have been made with very old stuff, on ancient film formulations. Our skills aren't such, that we can assume that better & newer equipment will make us bring forth better images. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsolomon Posted October 9, 2008 Share #14 Posted October 9, 2008 I sold my DMR ( istill have the R9) for $3950 about 8 months ago. i sold it for a number of reasons and it was the right move for me. wonderful peice of equipment though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitnaros Posted October 9, 2008 Share #15 Posted October 9, 2008 Jamie, I followed DMR and R9 prices over the last months here in the US and also in the EU. A mint DMR was before Photokina to be had for ~ $3,400. A mint R9 was before Photokina to be had for ~$1,500. I think that now after Photokina, and confirmation that a R10 is not planned for the nearer future, value has gone further down. Add the financial crisis; I don't think waiting will improve prices. Peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EH21 Posted October 9, 2008 Share #16 Posted October 9, 2008 I'd think a very nice DMR with boxes etc would still fetch mid $3k range - I've seen much higher in the last 4 months but not much lower. I saw one go for $5600 on ebay this summer. So like any thinly traded good the price is going to fluctuate some. But in any case I sold my 1DS for $2500 and it cost me nearly $6k so I got out less than half in just 2.5 years. I bought my canon 5D around 2 years ago at $3k and I'm guessing its worth only about $1k now or about 1/3 the original price. I've had my DMR for about 2 years now and I only paid $4200 for the DMR so if I get say $3500, I'd be doing really well! That's not too bad! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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