LUF Admin Posted September 15, 2008 Share #1 Posted September 15, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) An interesting blog article on WIRED about the concept of a modular DSLR by the other RED (movie) camera maker The RED DSLR: A Wish List | Gadget Lab from Wired.com This last would be the greatest irony. Leica upended the camera industry and ushered in the age of 35mm still photography with its Leica 1, released in 1925. For years it stuck to a winning (if expensive) formula but the arrival of digital showed that a mechanical engineering company doesn't necessarily have the skills for the digital marketplace. But the form of the rangefinder is still very much in demand. The cameras are smaller (no mirror means lenses can sit further back in the body and be smaller), the lenses sharper and the picture-taking experience more direct (looking through a separate viewfinder means you can see the actual moment the shutter clicks -- SLR viewfinders black out as the mirror flips up). I don't care how many other features make it in there: a proper, fast responding rangefinder would be killer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sdai Posted September 15, 2008 Share #2 Posted September 15, 2008 It doesn't add up, Andreas. They could build a high frame rate movie camera from which you can extract some high MP still frames as "photographs". But, rangefinder? it probably won't keep up. I haven't tried Leica's laser rangefinders myself, does it lock focus on a free object and constantly update its reading? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoff Posted September 15, 2008 Share #3 Posted September 15, 2008 An interesting blog article on WIRED about the concept of a modular DSLR by the other RED (movie) camera maker The article is interesting and pulls from a post, dated August 29, 2008, on REDUSER, the official RED discussion forum, by Jim Jannard, an avid photographer and founder of RED Digital Cinema Camera Company. This and subsequent posts from Jim Jannard indicate that his privately owned company is planning to produce a camera aimed squarely at the DSLR market by the end of 2009 which would utilize an yet undeveloped, but ground breaking, sensor named the Mysterium Monstro. This sensor is scheduled to be a followup to the Mysterium-X, a sensor, itself, yet to ship in any product. However, beyond that point, the article introduces conjecture for what the actual product might be. Additionally, many have misinterpreted a industrial design mockup drawing for the yet to ship RED Scarlet, a 3K 2/3 inch sensor video camera, as that of a supposed RED DSLR. None-the-less, Jim Jannard’s hints and teases, in his posts, combined with his story and that of actually bringing the RED One product to market definitely merit attention. RED is a groundbreaking company on many fronts. It was first to develop and ship a motion picture camera based on a RAW format, Redcode, enabling wide latitude in subjective image rendering, at a later point in time during postproduction. Additionally, its products are designed to surpass the functionality and image quality offered by other manufacturers regardless of their price. Just a very short time ago, RED was a company without a product, founded and owned by a person whose claim to fame was that of founder and chairman of eyewear and apparel company, Oakley. Its announce product, the RED One was deemed vaporware and written off as a improbability. Jim Jannard is yet to be a very well know figure outside of the motion picture industry, in which he is also very much a new face. However, he has established a proven track record for both product delivery and innovation. The operative phrase in his post is “...a camera aimed squarely at the DSLR market.” This is not the same as an actually DSLR in design but a solution which could address many of the short comings of traditional SLR design, and be a tool to open up new possibilities. To date, the existing sole shipping camera product, the RED One is modular in design on two fronts. Both in the way it can be customized to a particular need, with external add-ons to a base configuration and with the announcement of the ability to be sensor upgradable at a later date. Transposing this design philosophy onto a professional still camera product would be revolutionary but an actual product like this is no more than simple conjecture with the present facts available. However, the possibilities to imagine are very exciting. Wikipedia - Red Digital Cinema Camera Company Geoff myspace.com/geoffotos Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevelap Posted September 15, 2008 Share #4 Posted September 15, 2008 Thanks for that summary Geoff, useful information. I'd read of RED elsewhere but didn't know of JJ's Oakley connection. As you say, he has a very good track record in other business areas. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LUF Admin Posted September 16, 2008 Author Share #5 Posted September 16, 2008 WIRED has in its current issue a great article about this. Also available online: Analog Meets Its Match in Red Digital Cinema's Ultrahigh-Res Camera Best regards Andreas Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptomsu Posted September 16, 2008 Share #6 Posted September 16, 2008 Is this the new sensor which will be used in the new Leics DSLR? And is this the new cooperation partner of Leica? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted September 16, 2008 Share #7 Posted September 16, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) Interesting to see how the Red Scarlet shapes up next year, size etc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LUF Admin Posted September 16, 2008 Author Share #8 Posted September 16, 2008 Is this the new sensor which will be used in the new Leics DSLR? And is this the new cooperation partner of Leica? Peter, no or at least very unlikely... Best regards Andreas Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_w_davies Posted September 16, 2008 Share #9 Posted September 16, 2008 WIRED has in its current issue a great article about this. Also available online: Analog Meets Its Match in Red Digital Cinema's Ultrahigh-Res Camera Best regards Andreas The quality of the skateboard video in the Wired link is awesome. That's the quality of the recording, and not the quality of the skateboarding. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mooky Posted September 17, 2008 Share #10 Posted September 17, 2008 Remember - there now exists - Leica Cinema. Red Camera's are cool but WAY expensive. Leica has something in mind - either cinema projection, lenses, or camera's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overgaard Posted September 17, 2008 Share #11 Posted September 17, 2008 First time I heard of Leica Cinema. The surprise, AFRica, has also other places been called "Barnacks "new" old camera" and as far as I know, he made the M for testing cinema lenses. And if there's a hardcore crowd of Leica users, it's in the movie industry. There's SO many film folks who use Leica cameras as their preferred personal camera. Anyway... We'll know monday. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoff Posted September 17, 2008 Share #12 Posted September 17, 2008 ...Red Camera's are cool but WAY expensive. No. RED Products are designed and marketed for the film and motion picture industry, not the prosumer or consumer video markets. In this realm, they offer capabilities and advantages at a sliver of the cost of other products. We’re talking apples and oranges. In many respects the RED One can go head to head against a traditionally 35mm film-base motion picture camera that would be used to produce full-length feature films shown on theatre size screens. Geoff myspace.com/geoffotos Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mooky Posted September 17, 2008 Share #13 Posted September 17, 2008 Red One body price, no lens or viewfinder, around $17,000.00............ouch!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoff Posted September 17, 2008 Share #14 Posted September 17, 2008 Red One body price, no lens or viewfinder, around $17,000.00............ouch!!!! Used Arriflex BL4s body, $30,000.ºº. With motion picture industry cameras you’re talking in the tens of thousands if not much, much more. Getting large screen motion picture film quality out of video has been almost unheard and extremely expensive. $17,000.ºº is a breakthrough. Geoff myspace.com/geoffotos Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
camboychan Posted September 17, 2008 Share #15 Posted September 17, 2008 I have used the red cam a lot in my work as a DOP and compared to Sony's Cine Alto HD cam, it is the best thing since sliced bread! The picture is 4k which is Ultra HD, it looks simply stunning. The optics are truly beautiful. The reason I have always used Leica for my own pleasure is for the optics, optics for me are the most important part of the image capture process. Coupled with a sensor that makes pictures that look like you are looking through a window, I love it. If Leica want to blow the oppostion away and come up with something truly groundbreaking again, like a Leica 1, a rangefinder with a red sensor and sumicron lens might be just the ticket. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoff Posted September 17, 2008 Share #16 Posted September 17, 2008 Sony CineAlto HD Cameras: Purchase price - $90,735.ºº Daily rental - $1000.ºº RED Cameras: RED One (body only) - $17,500.ºº RED Scarlet with non-interchangeable 8x zoom lens - est. $3,000.ºº Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mooky Posted September 17, 2008 Share #17 Posted September 17, 2008 Sony CineAlto HD Cameras: Purchase price - $90,735.ºº Daily rental - $1000.ºº RED Cameras: RED One (body only) - $17,500.ºº RED Scarlet with non-interchangeable 8x zoom lens - est. $3,000.ºº geoff, I checked it out - it looks great - nice and simple - but is it really going to be that cheap? (or there-abouts),,,,,don't you still need a finder/live screen? Is it remote field ready? As in, can it be used far afield without allot of, so to speak, 'equipment support baggage?' Because if it can, it would make a heck of a camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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