fotografr Posted October 3, 2006 Share #21 Â Posted October 3, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) "Many people are just too traditional or conservative to admit that a newer format is usually better than the old one." Â Well, Rob, FYI, I started shooting digitally in 1999 and for more than five years shot it almost exclusively. I still shoot digitals for assignment work because that's what my clients ask for. However, for the past two years, I have increasingly shot film for personal projects for one simple reason: I prefer the look. If you want to call that conservative, fine (believe me, that IS a first). Call it whatever you like. I call it personal preference. I shoot film because for artistic applications, the smooth, slick, ultra sharp look of digital images doesn't appeal to me as much as the rich, textured look of film based images--yes, grain and all. I think there are scientific explanations for this which have to do with the angle at which light rays strike perfectly flat pixels versus the way light hits granular silver halide crystals, but that's beside the point. It's a matter of personal preference and I just don't understand why a person is viewed as a Luddite simply because they have a preference for one art form over another. Who are you to tell me what to like and what not to like? Shoot all the digital you want. I intend to shoot film until either it isn't available anymore, or until digital images appeal to me more than film images. Â I will never say film is better than digital for you, or for Bill, or for anyone else. That would be as absurd as saying pastels are better than oils. But I will say it's better for me and that I have a right to use whatever medium I want to use without having to justify it to anyone. Â Â Cheers, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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rob_rob Posted October 3, 2006 Share #22 Â Posted October 3, 2006 I will never say film is better than digital for you, or for Bill, or for anyone else. That would be as absurd as saying pastels are better than oils. But I will say it's better for me and that I have a right to use whatever medium I want to use without having to justify it to anyone. No need to feel offended, Brent. I am not suggesting anything, either. It might have looked like I have, but that was just an exaggeration to make my point against making such comparisons (about perceived differences in quality between film and digital technology). Whatever floats your boat is right for you and I have nothing against it. I just think that starting a dispute around this topic is fruitless and frustrating for everybody that happens to read it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vic vic Posted October 3, 2006 Share #23 Â Posted October 3, 2006 ya.. who said that digital is better than film??? companies who sell digitals??!! :-)))))))))))) u know - take a look at the "leaf photography" website - manufacturer of the best of the best digitals... u know what is the referance to their best digi-back medium format??? the aptus 75 (their best) gives quality that matches the film - this is what they say in one of their ads :-)))) notice, only on aptus 75 they write it :-)))))))))))) Â read comment exchanges between me and donald (xray). Â and ya - as brent says - fully agree with him... film has "look" - different look... u may like this more or u may like the plastic digital more - it is up to u.... Â but of course, digital has its great convinience.. just take things in proportion.... me too, i will probably make the move to digi-medium format... but beleive me - i have no intentions to stop buying film.. surely when it comes to b/w films... sorry.. a matter of taste or whatever it is... all those conversions to greyscale or channal mixers - well - it is not realy b/w... only those who had not seen real high quality b/w print from the darroom on fiber based paper have no referance to the true beauty of b/w :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtmerideth Posted October 4, 2006 Share #24 Â Posted October 4, 2006 At the demonstration of new Leica product in Denver, the rep gave an answer to Leica's involvement with Sinar. In the recent past Leica supplied Minox with cash which was paid back over time and kept Minox afloat. It is thought that this new relation with Sinar is a parallel to the Minox circumstance. I.E. no product development is planned and it is purely financial support. Â Time will tell. Â gary merideth Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
billh Posted October 4, 2006 Share #25  Posted October 4, 2006 Actually, I have made a point of not claiming one medium is “better” than the other. My question here was about how large the market will become for medium format digital, when the 35mm digitals are so capable, not to say digital is “better”. I should have chosen my words more carefully. This is probably due to age (Brent, think “venerable”), but those from my era are likely to excuse it as “being preoccupied” or some similar rationalization.  I do like film, especially black and white and slow color, and I would shoot a lot more if I wasn’t so lazy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted October 4, 2006 Share #26  Posted October 4, 2006 Actually, I have made a point of not claiming one medium is “better” than the other. My question here was about how large the market will become for medium format digital, when the 35mm digitals are so capable, not to say digital is “better”. I should have chosen my words more carefully.  I do like film, especially black and white and slow color, and I would shoot a lot more if I wasn’t so lazy.  Bill--You're not on the hook here at all. I know you're probably the least likely person on the forum to suggest what might be "best" for someone else. Actually, I don't think either of us tried to do that.  And I completely agree with you in questioning the market for medium format digital. I have no desire, personally, to start working with files that are in the triple digits for MB size.   Rob--There is obviously no right or wrong in discussions comparing film to digital. But what is wrong is for someone to say the discussion itself is silly and without merit. I've heard a lot of very interesting and enlightening exchanges on this topic, including one just a week ago at a gallery where a photography exhibit had just opened. One thing that was pointed out, and which I completely agree with, is that for some people the process of producing an image is nearly as important as the final product. Given a choice between making a display print in my darkroom versus on my computer, I'll take the darkroom any day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhsimmonds Posted October 4, 2006 Share #27 Â Posted October 4, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) My understanding of the Leica/Sinar thing is rather different. As I understand it, it is the new investers in Leica (since Hermes pulled out) that also have an investment in Sinar. Â Whether or not this will lead to any mutual co-operation between Leica and Sinar remains to be seen. Â Cheers, Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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