russell Posted September 29, 2008 Share #41 Posted September 29, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) Yes, "the strap looks sharp". Sounds like a joke but it points to the real usability of a f1(or f.95 lens). And yes, I've been using a Noct since 2000 now so I speak from my experience with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted September 29, 2008 Posted September 29, 2008 Hi russell, Take a look here New Noctilux. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
guywalder Posted September 30, 2008 Share #42 Posted September 30, 2008 However, my understanding is that Leica is saying (per my local rep) the new Nocti will outperform the 1.4 ASPH across the board- from wide open to stopped down. In other words, its hardly 0.95 vs 1.0 as the only difference. Obviously we need to test the finished product not just a prototype. I have to say, I struggle to believe your local rep! The summilux ASPH is not a particularly old design, and it is already at something of a performance pinnacle. If the new noctilux was going to be better 'across the board' then surely Leica would be making a big fuss about that. Yet in all the info that came out of Photokina I didnt see anyone quoting any great performance gains (admittedly I wasnt paying that much attention, not to the noctilux anyway). In fact Irwin Puts initial comments suggest a rather modest improvement compared to the old lens. As you say, until there are some results to look at its all speculation anyway Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lars_bergquist Posted September 30, 2008 Share #43 Posted September 30, 2008 I believe that the reason for the remake was not that drastic performance improvements were expected, but because (a) the old lens used glass that could no longer be obtained (possibly for environmental reasons) and, ( the lens was manufactured by an external source, ELC in Canada. The Nocti was not loved (by some people) primarily for its speed, but for its quirky, very old-fashioned fingerprint. It was probably not possible to design a Noctilux that performed like a Summilux, just one f-stop faster; 1.4 has always been and remains the bleeding edge. And if they had succeeded, imagine the outcry! We are of course waiting tor the test data. The old man from the Age of Max Berek Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
guywalder Posted October 7, 2008 Share #44 Posted October 7, 2008 To Guy Walder: I certainly can't argue with your price concerns. However, my understanding is that Leica is saying (per my local rep) the new Nocti will outperform the 1.4 ASPH across the board- from wide open to stopped down. In other words, its hardly 0.95 vs 1.0 as the only difference. Obviously we need to test the finished product not just a prototype. according to Irwin Puts, your local rep was half right... New lenses: analysis part 1 'performance wide open...is not significantly improved compared to the old Noct' 'main improvement...when the lens has been stopped down' He shows MTFs at f5.6 as demonstration that 'performance at smaller apertures is equal to the summilux' So its now a 2 trick pony! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony C. Posted October 7, 2008 Share #45 Posted October 7, 2008 But what about the all-important focus-shift? Any improvements in that area? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted October 7, 2008 Share #46 Posted October 7, 2008 But what about the all-important focus-shift? Any improvements in that area? Tony, They claimed so at the M lens stand part of the Leica area at Photokina. However they were hardly going to say "no it's worse than ever" about their flagship lens were they? I know I took a couple of photos with it but none of my photos are showing up a 50mm f0,95 lens, maybe because the coding is not yet updated on the firmware. I was focusing on the middle of the grey section. I think the guy in the foreground is saying "I have just found out the Noctilux price and it is giving me a headache." Wilson Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/62428-new-noctilux/?do=findComment&comment=678122'>More sharing options...
grober Posted October 7, 2008 Share #47 Posted October 7, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) My gosh. That would be a lot of fun to have in the bag... And perhaps even more to USE on the CAMERA, eh? -g Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
henning Posted October 7, 2008 Share #48 Posted October 7, 2008 I have to say, I struggle to believe your local rep!The summilux ASPH is not a particularly old design, and it is already at something of a performance pinnacle. If the new noctilux was going to be better 'across the board' then surely Leica would be making a big fuss about that. Yet in all the info that came out of Photokina I didnt see anyone quoting any great performance gains (admittedly I wasnt paying that much attention, not to the noctilux anyway). In fact Irwin Puts initial comments suggest a rather modest improvement compared to the old lens. As you say, until there are some results to look at its all speculation anyway After some discussion the Leica people at Photokina told me that the new lens would not seriously outperform the current Noctilux wide open, but would perform much better at f/1.4 through f/2.8. I've used the Nocti since it came out, and I tend to use it at f/1 or f/5.6+. Reduced focus shift and general improvement slightly stopped down would be interesting, but certainly no reason to upgrade. The 21/1.4 is another matter though, and I can hardly wait to get mine. Henning Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vieri Posted October 9, 2008 Share #49 Posted October 9, 2008 ... They should have updated the 75/1.4 (narrower DOF than the noctilux as well if I recall correcly), or better still the troublesome 35/1.4 Now either of those Would have been worth bragging about! Yes, the 75 Lux (and the 90 Cron for that matters) have a thinner DOF than the Noctilux. While I would also like to see an improved 35 Lux, I fail to see where the 75 Lux could be improved though: what are your complains with the lens? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted October 9, 2008 Share #50 Posted October 9, 2008 A revised 75mm Summilux is not high on my wants-list; if you think that focal length is classic for portraiture on a FF camera, it'a a bit long on the cropped camera and the 50's doe a better job. The 35mm Summilux is the lens which to me is crying out for attention... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
guywalder Posted October 9, 2008 Share #51 Posted October 9, 2008 I fail to see where the 75 Lux could be improved though: what are your complains with the lens? If everyone thought like this we would all still be living in caves! I remember someone in the German forum writing that he thought the M8 was perfect and he couldnt imagine how it could possibly be improved, and that was before Mr Lee signed his 4000 letters of personal apology. Maybe I should go and see what he has to say about the M8.2.... Anyway, to answer your question, I dont have any complaints about the 75/1.4 Although I find it no stretch of the imagination to think that leica could have done to the 75 what they just did to the noctilux. i.e. same at full aperture, sharper in the mid range. At least if they had then it would still be in production. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted October 9, 2008 Share #52 Posted October 9, 2008 The 35mm Summilux is the lens which to me is crying out for attention... New 35mm Summilux, 28mm Summilux and a 16mm Elmarit seem the gaps to fill to me. Then there'd be relatively brand new lenses from 16mm to 75mm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.