fotografr Posted September 27, 2006 Share #41 Posted September 27, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) I think in view of all we've heard and seen it wouldn't be bad for Leica to release some picture files. Absolutely!! I'm on the fence now and will go either way depending on image samples I see. I'm fully convinced the camera looks, feels and handles like its film M predecessors but the final determinent is going to be picture quality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted September 27, 2006 Posted September 27, 2006 Hi fotografr, Take a look here First M8 Shot!!!. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
rvaubel Posted September 27, 2006 Share #42 Posted September 27, 2006 Absolutely!! I'm on the fence now and will go either way depending on image samples I see. I'm fully convinced the camera looks, feels and handles like its film M predecessors but the final determinent is going to be picture quality. I think Leica needs to release some sample images too. I fully expect the M8 to perform at the level of the 5D, if not better, in a much more convenient rangefinder form. The only area where I think the 5D will still dominate is noise. Beating Canon in this area is a hard row to hoe. I will settle for a good clean ISO 1200. The Leica glass and the rangfinder format can make up for the rest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted September 27, 2006 Share #43 Posted September 27, 2006 I will settle for a good clean ISO 1200. The Leica glass and the rangfinder format can make up for the rest. Ditto! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrism Posted September 27, 2006 Share #44 Posted September 27, 2006 Absolutely!! I'm on the fence now and will go either way depending on image samples I see. I'm fully convinced the camera looks, feels and handles like its film M predecessors but the final determinent is going to be picture quality. To be practical, the calculus for me is whether it will provide better digital images than my other digital cameras (Digilux 2, D70, SD10) and how much I want to be able to use my Leica (and CV) glass with a digital body. In this light it would have to be pretty bad for it NOT to be an advance! Thus I have convinced myself. Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rvaubel Posted September 27, 2006 Share #45 Posted September 27, 2006 To be practical, the calculus for me is whether it will provide better digital images than my other digital cameras (Digilux 2, D70, SD10) and how much I want to be able to use my Leica (and CV) glass with a digital body. In this light it would have to be pretty bad for it NOT to be an advance! Thus I have convinced myself. Chris The calculus for me is that be more reliable and have better support than my RD1. Thats really a given. Secondly, I would expect that the image quality be better than my 20D . That too should happen. The iffy part is the Issue of ISO sensitivety. Frankly if its better than the RD1 (clean ISO 800), I will be happy. A clean ISO of 1200 would be 2/3 of a stop better than I get from my RD1 and about what I get from my 20D. I expect that the dynamic range and color should be at least as good as the DMR. I really think Leica will come thru, but I admit to holding my breath on the ISO issue. Rex Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Ross Posted September 27, 2006 Share #46 Posted September 27, 2006 "Rob's point is well taken in that the M8 image was underexposed and the Canon image was properly exposed. Well, this makes me wonder WHY was the M8 image underexposed? Was the meter that bad? I think the picture was under exposed, because the photographer didn't remember that the M8 has a spot meter. The camera was probably on Auto for snapping a few samples. Look at the center of the picture to see what the camera is metering. If the photographer metered off of the face, we could have seen what blown highlights look like at ISO1250.... The Sigma SD-14 shot was probably done on "P" with matrix metering and in better light. Bob BTW, I recognize this situation, having fallen victim to it when switching cameras back and forth:o Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicajh Posted September 27, 2006 Share #47 Posted September 27, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) For purposes of comparison, I just shot this at 3200 ISO with the Canon 5D. BTW - very cool shot. jh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted September 27, 2006 Share #48 Posted September 27, 2006 Those pictures are not worth the attention they're getting, whatever camera made them. It won't be long after Photokina that legitimate examples of the camera's file quality will be available. In the meantime, look at files from the DMR and imagine the improvements that could come to digital between the introduction of the DMR and now. Worries about the M8 having terrible file quality are very much misplaced. Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrc Posted September 28, 2006 Share #49 Posted September 28, 2006 I don''t want to say I told you so, but this thread is an example why a few days ago I said it was time for Leica to post some sample shots. It's time to see some stuff that is correctly exposed, with a good range of color, at known ISOs. I don't think Leica is trying to hide anything, so why should they continue to hide? We're going to see more of these shots -- somebody on one of the Leica forums somewhere said he probably could have put his own card in a camera at the Leica stand at Photokina, if he wished. So I think we're going to start seeing pictures of people's shoes, the guy in the next stand, etc., and we're not going to know anything about them. Even here, people say, "Well, it was under exposed. What's wrong with the meter?" What's wrong with the meter is that it was probably on manual, and shot at the wrong speed. I really think it's time; not to say I told you so. JC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Ross Posted September 28, 2006 Share #50 Posted September 28, 2006 I"Well, it was under exposed. What's wrong with the meter?" What's wrong with the meter is that it was probably on manual, and shot at the wrong speed. JC John, That is another possibility for operator error. Here is an illustration of where the camera was metering, if just on Auto. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! We'll probably see and hear more about folks learning how to use the M8's meter after deliveries start;) Bob Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! We'll probably see and hear more about folks learning how to use the M8's meter after deliveries start;) Bob ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/5845-first-m8-shot/?do=findComment&comment=59984'>More sharing options...
peterb Posted September 28, 2006 Author Share #51 Posted September 28, 2006 Gee and I thought MY bogus M8 shot was awful ... : ) P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rvaubel Posted September 28, 2006 Share #52 Posted September 28, 2006 Those pictures are not worth the attention they're getting, whatever camera made them. It won't be long after Photokina that legitimate examples of the camera's file quality will be available. In the meantime, look at files from the DMR and imagine the improvements that could come to digital between the introduction of the DMR and now. Worries about the M8 having terrible file quality are very much misplaced. Cheers, Sean I agree that a huge mountain is made out of these molehill pictures. I still find them fascinating because they are the only pictures we have. But, on the other hand, the harm to Leica that is done by reading too much into them makes me want to zip my lip and apoligize for drawing any attention to them. Rex Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pascal_meheut Posted September 28, 2006 Share #53 Posted September 28, 2006 I saw a picture shot at Kina and 640 Iso by the M8, firmware 1.0.4. Not bad at all considering shooting conditions. I could post a crop but I've miserably failed when I tried. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokndonut Posted September 28, 2006 Share #54 Posted September 28, 2006 What a stupid thing to do! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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