sean_reid Posted July 21, 2008 Share #21 Posted July 21, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) It's a bit early to be worrying about the file quality. Panasonic is moving in the right direction with several aspects of this camera. Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted July 21, 2008 Posted July 21, 2008 Hi sean_reid, Take a look here Lumix LX-3 is here. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
SJP Posted July 21, 2008 Share #22 Posted July 21, 2008 Not wishing to spoil the fun but it is worth pointing out that the sensor crop factor is pretty big with this camera, about 0.21 or factor 5 depending on how you want to calculate this based on the equivalent focal length data (5.1-12.8 mm = 24-60 mm FF). Then using a rough calculation the f/2-2.8 does not look so impressive anymore as it is equivalent in terms of depth of field to a full frame f/9.7-13.5. So it will not be a M* killer but it is a major step forward if only for departing from the maximum megapixels canon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 21, 2008 Share #23 Posted July 21, 2008 ...Have you even heard of a Vario-Summicron?... Yes we have. And we had a built-in optical viewfinder then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckthual Posted July 21, 2008 Share #24 Posted July 21, 2008 Already a Lumix LX Pool with samples on flickr : Flickr: Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEBnewyork Posted July 21, 2008 Share #25 Posted July 21, 2008 The design of the LX3 is similar to their TZ3 and TZ5 cameras and are designed to better utilize the image circle. On the LX2 16:9 gave you 28mm but 3:2 and 4:3 were crops and the you were above 30mm. On the LX3 the sensor is larger allowing for each of the aspect ratios to fully capture 24mm. You can see by the measurements below the LX2 was limited by the 2376 but on the lx3 none aspect ratios have the same number of pixels on any edge. Here is a thread where there is an illustration from the TZ3. This also allows you to set the camera to take the shot capturing info from all three aspect ratios and decide on your aspect ratio after the fact. Re: Sensor size: Panasonic Talk Forum: Digital Photography Review The LX-2 had 10.4 total pixels and 10.2 effective pixelsThe LX-3 has 11.3 total pixels and 10.3 effective pixels What does this rather large (1mp) disparity between total and effective pixels mean? The LX-2 in 16:9 had a resolution of 4224 x 2376 The LX-3 in 16:9 has a resolution of 3968 x 2232 The LX-2 in 3:2 had a resolution of 3568 x 2376 The LX-3 in 3:2 has a resolution of 3776 x 2520 The LX-2 in 4:3 had a resolution of 3168 x 2376 The LX-3 in 4:3 has a resolution of 3648x 2736 So the LX-2 had higher resolution in 16:9 but lower in 3:2 and 4:3 which suggests they are no longer using the 16:9 sensor which I guess is obvious given the lack of a widescreen display. It seems they have gone back to the typical 4:3 sensor used in most compact P&S cameras. Not to be confused with the 4/3 format which is much larger but also a 4:3 ratio Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
audidudi Posted July 21, 2008 Share #26 Posted July 21, 2008 Yes we have. And we had a built-in optical viewfinder then. The Digilux 2 had one as well, but no optical finder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
offshore Posted July 22, 2008 Share #27 Posted July 22, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) The new f/2,0-2,8 lens looks great, they're adding an external VF and boasting ISO 6400. This little baby is gonna be a M8 killer. Slap the red circle with Leica in it on it and you have the new Digilux 4. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blakley Posted July 22, 2008 Share #28 Posted July 22, 2008 The new f/2,0-2,8 lens looks great, they're adding an external VF and boasting ISO 6400. This little baby is gonna be a M8 killer. Right. Just like the G9 has killed the 5D and the IDsMkIII. Obviously. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted July 22, 2008 Share #29 Posted July 22, 2008 Yes we have. And we had a built-in optical viewfinder then. Haha, they tried hard to imitate but if you pay enough attention, you could easily tell the differences between these knockoffs and real Leica lenses ... just to name a few: 1. These knockoffs don't have serial numbers marked on the lenses. 2. There is a tiny white dot tailing the letters ASPH. on real Leica lenses. 3. Leica usually marks the filter size, such E39, E46 on genuine Leica lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted July 22, 2008 Share #30 Posted July 22, 2008 Yes we have. And we had a built-in optical viewfinder then. That brings back memories LCT. Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted July 22, 2008 Share #31 Posted July 22, 2008 What does this rather large (1mp) disparity between total and effective pixels mean? As you note, Panasonic is using different parts of a single sensor to get 3 different formats that still use the whole image circle of the lens - and thus also get full "24mm" wideness as measured by the image diagonal. These means that there are unused "corners" to the sensor, full of roughly 1 million pixels that never show up in any picture regardless of format (Just as well, too, since they likely fall in the vignetted area of the image circle). So three formats, each 10.1 (roughly) Mpixels - and left-over carpet scraps in the corners to fill out the sensor's total complement of 11.3 pixels. [actually my diagram isn't perfect, in that the gray border area contains about .5 Mpixels or so that never get used - the rest of the "difference" are pixels that get used in one format but not in the others - i.e. for a 16:9 shot there is a fat swath of pixels top and bottom (above and below the red box) that are "left out" - and in a 4:3 image there are big areas left and right that are edited out. I guess I could have colored those areas a lighter gray, but it might have gotten confusing.] Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/58331-lumix-lx-3-is-here/?do=findComment&comment=610083'>More sharing options...
rob_x2004 Posted July 22, 2008 Share #32 Posted July 22, 2008 And remember, if Leica decides to pay the bucks to release it as a DLux version, the image quality will mystically improve in some intangible way no doubt due to the low setting on the height you carry the thing or the paint used or the way it looks in a Luigi or something. Obviously it is too soon to judge this thing as it is only released by that japanese company. Wait for the full german one huh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_x2004 Posted July 22, 2008 Share #33 Posted July 22, 2008 Damn me LCT the G2 packed it in the other day...or the display did. I mean the bugger only went underwater once, dropped from a tripod onto its flipped out screen a couple of times and ... Gee you would reckon they could build something to last. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_x2004 Posted July 22, 2008 Share #34 Posted July 22, 2008 The LX2's sensor was widely considered a weak link in an otherwise strong chain, with poorly controlled noise and compressed dynamic range limiting the previous-generation camera's appeal with those serious about image quality. From all indications, Panasonic went back to the drawing board for the LX3, returning with a completely redesigned 10.1 megapixel, 1/1.63-inch CCD." On serious note it is still a small sensor camera, and I wonder whether the size V Mpix count makes it a serious improvement over the LX1. Is it time to upgrade? Or is it just a keeping up with technology and offering that little bit extra if you dont already got one? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted July 22, 2008 Share #35 Posted July 22, 2008 The LX3 offers a Film mode with 6 colour types and 3 types of monochrome to choose from... .......goodbye M7 MP.......... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_x2004 Posted July 22, 2008 Share #36 Posted July 22, 2008 ohh wow and I jsut payed fifteen hundred bucks to get my mp repaired ...... I need a fragile ego weeping smilie. Flag of scotland smilie? Ohh the dollars!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted July 22, 2008 Share #37 Posted July 22, 2008 Fantastic camera, best I have ever used ............. me and Mick have been beta testing it ever since we sent over a consignment of prime "Jap bullocks" last fall, they can't get enough of our prime meat Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_x2004 Posted July 22, 2008 Share #38 Posted July 22, 2008 Chantier Orvault looks solid. That how you have to build for the climate in Canada? Love the iPhone on the road. Cool. Wow! Dont think much of the Lumix pool on flicker. That wont sell em any cameras. Hey Zues!! It just goes from bad to worse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_x2004 Posted July 22, 2008 Share #39 Posted July 22, 2008 Chantier Orvault looks solid. That how you have to build for the climate in Canada? Love the iPhone on the road. Cool. Wow! Dont think much of the Lumix pool on flicker. That wont sell em any cameras. Hey Zeus!! It just goes from bad to worse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted July 22, 2008 Share #40 Posted July 22, 2008 Rob, you and Imants have GOT to do a better job of coordinating your medications..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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