Rona!d Posted September 24, 2006 Share #41 Posted September 24, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) It´s good that you discussed my double-nicknames instead of the "transfered trouble" we had on the other side. Sorry for my hard words in my first posting, it should be a very clear statement, that we do not accept ANY transfer of discussion to a place it does not belong. There are several channels like PM, e-mail and even one of the dozen threads which had been opened by some to put oil in the fire without the background knowledge why we closed some threads. Personally i´m not happy with the decision of Stefan and Evita but that´s their choice and i hope they will come back one day. Why two nicks? Well i don´t really know if they had been "imported" from the old forum or from the test-phase we had with the new one (i used two identities to test some functions like PM or seeing the difference what a normal user can do and what additional functions a moderator has etc.). Finally i used "agnoo" for private talks and "rona|d" for the "job". I have also two cellphones using the same way, both with my full name. I never tried to hide one of the other, i use the same style of portrait and also my FULL name to make clear: It´s me. If this can not be accepted - it´s clear, that i will delete one of them on your wish. Please let me know which photo i should use Best, Ronald Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted September 24, 2006 Posted September 24, 2006 Hi Rona!d, Take a look here 3 more. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
lambroving Posted September 24, 2006 Share #42 Posted September 24, 2006 If this can not be accepted - it´s clear, that i will delete one of them on your wish. Please let me know which photo i should use Best, Ronald Very funny... I have no problem with you "wearing two hats", BTW. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmr Posted September 24, 2006 Share #43 Posted September 24, 2006 Ronald, it can't be easy being a moderator - some times: thanks for putting the effort in to keep this a civil, interesting, informative and above all, very enjoyable place to spend some time. I've personally no issues with you having two personae on the site for the reasons you state - but if you have to choose, you should use the avatar from agnoo, it makes you look devilishly handsome Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambroving Posted September 24, 2006 Share #44 Posted September 24, 2006 william - i dont know about the past - but i know that stefan for exaple is great photographer... so what u would like to be leica - or talking about leica.... what leica wants???? a real communit that is gathered around leica, where there are good photographers who love their liecas and make with their cameras what suposed to be done with it (good photography), or another ROLLEX club. how much we can talk about m8 full frame etc. how much we can talk about summilux summilux summicron .... it is not intresting. i come here cause i have some time to walk around the forum. i want to spend it and enjoy - see photos, and see real talks. ya, to contribute too, to contribute with showing my examples (i concider myslef as good photographer), and to reply people and maybe help them. not only with another thread about m8 sumilux vs summicron, but what can be done with those summiluxes too. so leica decide what u want on this forum to be.... only ROLLEX club with m8 m8 summilux summilux, or u want that there will be photographers and artists too, who can have discussions, and ya, clatches too sometimes. about tolarance... well JOHN LOCK, J.S.MILL - i think those to will be enough for the biggining. MILL has a very good book about it and about the freedom of speech. Vic, Stefan is a very "good" photographer who thinks everything has to be done his way and that we have to "see" his way or "the highway". This discussion has nothing to do with that. This is not an "open" forum where people can roll around in the mud. As far as I can see, you have been more than polite and respectful of other opinions and points of view. No problem. Others have not. IMO they should go. That will leave a bunch of good-natured Leica friends, a few of whom can take good pictures. You will see a lot more good photos in a friendly forum than you will ever see in a bar-room brawl. If some people still insist on dumping their SD cards here..., well, I guess you will occasionally have to live with that... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted September 24, 2006 Share #45 Posted September 24, 2006 Stefan is a very "good" photographer who thinks everything has to be done his way and that we have to "see" his way or "the highway" I don't think Stefan was necessarily the only person with this attitude, photographers can be quite egotistical :-) If some people still insist on dumping their SD cards here..., well, I guess you will occasionally have to live with that... This is something that you keep repeating William, but I don't see much evidence of this myself. In fact I'd go as far as to say I've seen as much 'film' dumping as 'SD card' dumping. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rona!d Posted September 24, 2006 Share #46 Posted September 24, 2006 I asked Andreas if there is a way to delete my account "agnoo" without deleting my posted pictures. If not, well they are not worth much to me anyway and we might get rid of them. I block the account "agnoo" to make clear that i listen to your wishes. There is also an IMPORTED account "ron_mp" I used in the old international forum and a "ronald_schmidt" i used in the past, i asked Andreas to delete them as well, although i never used them here and they seem to be inactive and not usable, but are still on the user-list (i don´t know why). Best regards, Ronald Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambroving Posted September 24, 2006 Share #47 Posted September 24, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) I don't think Stefan was necessarily the only person with this attitude, photographers can be quite egotistical :-) Most of the "great" photographers I've known, including but not limited to Ernst Haas, R.I.P., were very humble and respectful of the works of others. Wasted a lot of time on me, I can tell you! This is something that you keep repeating William, but I don't see much evidence of this myself. In fact I'd go as far as to say I've seen as much 'film' dumping as 'SD card' dumping. First time I've mentioned this outside the Testforum, but you have a short memory methinks! Be wary and wait for the M8 with a HUGE card... he says, heading for cover... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vic vic Posted September 25, 2006 Share #48 Posted September 25, 2006 william.... of course i respect other people opinions :-))))))) wether personally i am good or not, or have better knowledge or not is not the point, no one of us live in the clouds above olimpia mounts :-))))) so we should respect others :-)))))))) and ya, stefan had this problem - no doubt.... to see photography only the way he saw, and not to accapt otherwise - i agree with u. i have made remarks about it (to him, in our flaming cooments exchages). but stefan was able to make FIRE on the forum... it is important, and i think here is where our opinions go in different directions. if one doesnt like that fire then tthere is plenty of space on the forum to escape it and to find things tat are more intresting to him. he created diversity - not only in the questions he rised but also the way he was talking.... i really dont understand what is the problem with it.... he is not ralph gibson as photographer, he is not a kind of authority as if "mr and mrs gogenheim", so no real harm from the way he was talking or things he was saying. people can judge themselves in what measure and what proporrtions his words should be taken... william, u described yourself as one how "cuts" rite away.... i know what u mean.... i do it also (dont take my young age as mistake about it). when i manage some project i do cut, but not beacause i dont like deveristy... it is only becasue that in some cases there is no place for diversity. there is place only for action and for practicale progress - implimentations. this is not the case here i think. again - no harm from the fact that somebody creates tension... i think it only adds at the botton line. and ya- i think more people will be attracted to the forum that rises questions, tensions... again not only sunnilux vs summicron, but art and photography too. again, i dont know what it was all about on that forum (german)... but as far as i know, stefans points are important, even if i dont always agree with him and woldnt express myself that way (in terms of manners and behaviour). and for that matter - evita too was a clear and good voice, that i dont see at the moment who replaces it........ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rona!d Posted September 25, 2006 Share #49 Posted September 25, 2006 Just for your information: We deleted all "Ron@ld Schmidt´s" (the one used and the two never used but automatically imported from the old two forums) from the userlist - except the moderator "Rona|d". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambroving Posted September 25, 2006 Share #50 Posted September 25, 2006 Vic, As I said, you type too fast! While I understand your perspective about opinion and diversity, nothing wrong with those if they can be expressed politely and with respect.for the opinions of others. Drawing lines in the sand and testing the limits of the rules does not belong here and never has. Most people who visit the Forum just don't enjoy flame wars and will leave if they are tolerated. Sorry if you find it too tame here. BTW, since this new Forum opened there have not been a huge number of wonderful pictures, but most of us visit for ideas and I'm sure you'll see a lot more. I gather people are still recovering from summer and some of us work long hours. As the days grow short, many more may return here to post. There are all kinds of Leica photography though and it will not be all street shooting and people shots which you favor . There's room for all kinds of subject matter here too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vic vic Posted September 25, 2006 Share #51 Posted September 25, 2006 william - ya i type very fast, and alot of mistakes i guess. dont have time to re-read it, just fgo with the stream of the thought :-)))))))))) so my excuses :-))) lets put it rite away... flaming wars??? well - it is just phrase. we dont really play wars here.... no body harmed physically or mentally :-)))) flaming wars as PHRASE.... well - lets face it.... my thread with vintage leitz lens created RATING KING here as some of the forum members said. not all members repleid, but mist of the members were carefully watching.... this is something that really creates interest and not othewise. ya i know - RATING is not HOLLY concept, of course, but it is indication. important one. beyound rating issues - there were important questions on different levels and aspects. creating such a thing is part of photography as art form. we should not ignore it. examine limits.... ya - modern liberal society needs it and wants it. modern liberal society os strong enough with its acting individuals to handle this examination.... and too bad for modern and liberal society if the limits are not examined - too bad. one should not neccessarly agree, people have different opinions, sure, no problems wit it. but mostly in controversality we can find our ways. besides... in liberal society, one should do something really terrible in order to justify his elimination. i will not make conclusions at the moment, cause i dont know what happened on the german forum. i dont know if what stefan evita or others made there was really terrible or not. i dont know if they were forced to leave this way or another. but ....... if they have not done anything terrible and they were forced to leave somehow..... i will leave too. not in order to demostrate here, not in order to take their position... no , not at all. only because it is not liberal... NOT LIBERAL = the only reason. again... there is plenty of room on the forum. one can avoid himself not to be drawn in those "flaming wars". but those who are intrested to see those "wars", those who are intrested to participate - they have the right to do it or to have this option open. they are also leica users... they also love their leica cameras and they also spend alot of money on their cameras. people in charge have a very special position... they have to make a very careful steps... it is like being JUDGE, it is a great resposibility. his/her opinion should be concidered beyound the avarage concidirations. his own beleifs are only part of the variables that should be taken in the judgement process. again... being in charge is a very special and resposible position. surely people in this position should not be drawn into the "personal concidirations and tendencies" - they should be beyound that even if it is not always eassy. i think this is more important than polite behaviour. let the audiance judge those who behave non-politly... believe me, if those non-polite people dont do anything intresting, they will be ignored by the audiance. and those people will be in bad situation screaming ato be heard, but no one will listen to them, only they will hear they echos. but if they get reaction... well that simply means tat they do something that creates some interst. diveristy, contradictions etc - but still INTRESTING Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted September 25, 2006 Share #52 Posted September 25, 2006 yep my dog's understanding, he listens to Satre is that there is always room for the chocolate box stuff as well, pretty flowers and nice country lanes ahh with the bees buzzing.... and being polite on someone elses terms.....all a bit of a yawn. but when it comes to a bone in the street the pack loves to play and brawl Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Herbert Maier Posted September 25, 2006 Share #53 Posted September 25, 2006 If a good photographer gives his opinion, it is HIS opinion, his opinion can’t be universal. Therefore it is not the photographers fault if people think that his words are universal rules. Maybe people get offended, when they compare and see where they “stand”, also for these feelings the responsible one is not the one who gives the critique. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
uulrich Posted September 25, 2006 Share #54 Posted September 25, 2006 Gag orders, restraining orders and law suits can be easily obtained from the sherriff's court. Just a small fee away. I don't need the leica forum censorship, moderators messing around w/ multiple identities who cannot even address simple problems effective and efficient. At least they should be able to excuse their wordings. What you did is simply not acceptable, for me that is. Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rona!d Posted September 25, 2006 Share #55 Posted September 25, 2006 Uwe, please go back to my posting #41 (Sorry for my hard words in my first posting,...). As i said, my wording was too hard (poisoning the forum) and i said sorry for that, but compared to the import of trouble where we had no trouble and the attempt to discuss it at the wrong place, i cannot see an angel over there. It´s a pity that your new friends are not talking for themselve but that was THEIR decision, you remember? I will discuss this with EVITA herself or nobody else. To my accounts: I had two in use, both with the same head in the portrait and the same real-name. I deleted one to avoid trouble. The other two ron@ld schmidt-accounts where NEVER in use on the new forum. So what´s your problem NOW? Hello, it´s only one Ron@ld Schmidt here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
uulrich Posted September 25, 2006 Share #56 Posted September 25, 2006 Uwe, please go back to my posting #41 (Sorry for my hard words in my first posting,...). As i sad, my wording was too hard (poisoning the forum) and i said sorry for that, but compared to the import of trouble where we had no trouble and the attempt to discuss it at the wrong place, i cannot see an angel over there. It´s a pity that your new friends are not talking for themselve but that was THEIR decision, you remember? I will discuss this with EVITA herself or nobody else. To my accounts: I had two in use, both with the same head in the portrait and the same real-name. I deleted one to avoid trouble. The other two ron@ld schmidt-accounts where NEVER in use on the new forum. So what´s your problem NOW? Hello, it´s only one Ron@ld Schmidt here. I don't know what you're trying to convey here - don't catch your words. All I get and can comment on is that neither Evita nor Stefan are my friends. Anyway, I'm exhausted from reading all this stuff and struggling w/ your postings. Since that day of your comment about Evita I don't find it very pleasing anymore; to be honest w/ you. I think we need some sort of a mutual agreement... For the sake of this forum and its members in particular I skip this thread from now on. I can only encourage you to avoid verbal backstabbing attacks since I cannot add you to my ignore list I'm afraid. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/5814-3-more/?do=findComment&comment=58158'>More sharing options...
Guest user8952 Posted September 27, 2006 Share #57 Posted September 27, 2006 I cannot add you to my ignore list I'm afraid. we'll all have to learn the hard way... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.