brianv Posted July 15, 2008 Share #61 Posted July 15, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) > One of the main reasons why the NOCTILUX is so special is: it is NOT an asph.- lens. The original Noctilux was aspherical. If Leica is going to come out with a new one that does not vignette, it will have to be bigger and heavier. Look for something with a 67mm or 72mm filter thread if they go that route. If they stick with spherical optics, the glass will have to be something really special. It would probably be easier to get the corrections with an aspherical design. I won't start rumors of graded index glass and inkenel. Would be cool. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted July 15, 2008 Posted July 15, 2008 Hi brianv, Take a look here New Noctilux will be launched.... I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
NB23 Posted July 15, 2008 Share #62 Posted July 15, 2008 Would a logical explanation be: Made in Canada but Assembled in Germany? Then the whole product is technically "made in Germany" (But still always depends on the law of each country and the year). Hmmm... and how do you explain the fact that this very special Noctilux glass has also been used in the Extender-R 2x, which was made in Germany. Best regards Alex Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MP3 Posted July 17, 2008 Share #63 Posted July 17, 2008 I guess it is going to be still e60 or something smaller as Solms will surely employ ASPH. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted July 17, 2008 Share #64 Posted July 17, 2008 If Leica is going to come out with a new one that does not vignette, it will have to be bigger and heavier. Look for something with a 67mm or 72mm filter thread if they go that route That isn't going to happen. The existing 60mm version blocks out a considerable amount of the viewfinder. With 72mm there'd be virtually nothing left to look at. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrid Posted July 17, 2008 Share #65 Posted July 17, 2008 That isn't going to happen. The existing 60mm version blocks out a considerable amount of the viewfinder. With 72mm there'd be virtually nothing left to look at. Bingo. Viewfinder blockage was one of the main reasons why I sold my Noct. I had the second version with the clip on hood and it felt like you were shooting with a small telephoto lens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianv Posted July 17, 2008 Share #66 Posted July 17, 2008 With any super-speed lens, there will be trade-offs. Diameter of the optics vs vignetting is one. Of course, they could come out with a lens aimed for the M8's 1.3x crop factor and not have a vignetting problem. Now, put a Summarit on a Leica III and you get viewfinder blockage as well. Put a Canon 50/1.5 on it, no blockage. Maybe the new lens will be an F1.0 Sonnar-formula for speed without vignetting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maarten van Druten Posted August 10, 2008 Share #67 Posted August 10, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) I'm glad to hear that there will be a new Noctilux soon, But I didn't like the way Leica pulled the plug out of the "old" Noctilux without telling the costumers first. Than we had a last change to order the old version. I had the Noctilux on my waiting list, but I had never thought it would be erased from the list so quickly.... When I heard the news, I ordered the Noctilux very quickly, but they all say "product no longer available" I think this sudden, unpredictable way of discontinuing product is not so polite for the customer that is willing to spend so much money on a lens, Therefore I hope that the new Noctilux will be much better and will be not that much expensive than the old one... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lotw Posted August 23, 2008 Share #68 Posted August 23, 2008 I'm glad to hear that there will be a new Noctilux soon, But I didn't like the way Leica pulled the plug out of the "old" Noctilux without telling the costumers first. Than we had a last change to order the old version. I had the Noctilux on my waiting list, but I had never thought it would be erased from the list so quickly.... When I heard the news, I ordered the Noctilux very quickly, but they all say "product no longer available" QUOTE] Here is your chance: about € 15.000,= (limitierte Ausgabe). Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter_n Posted August 23, 2008 Share #69 Posted August 23, 2008 Therefore I hope that the new Noctilux will be much better and will be not that much expensive than the old one...How could it be better? It's perfect now! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gravastar Posted August 23, 2008 Share #70 Posted August 23, 2008 What amuses me about the photograph of the Nocti in a box/coffin is the reflection of the white cotton gloves in the top left hand corner <shakes head in disbelief>. Bob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted August 23, 2008 Share #71 Posted August 23, 2008 Let's hope that the Leica product planner who's predicting buoyant sales of the new Noctilux is not the same hapless individual who thought the Digilux 3 would go down a storm... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveYork Posted August 25, 2008 Share #72 Posted August 25, 2008 I'm not sure they'll have a new noctilux. It's not like they sold a lot of these lenses to begin with, and in a digital world, where someone can ramp up the iso with a touch of a button, it makes even less sense. My best guess is that the bid news this September is pretty much limited to the R line. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted August 25, 2008 Share #73 Posted August 25, 2008 We have already been told that Leica will not let the Noctilux name die. Given that the old model is sold out, that can only mean one thing... And it will be a 50 f0.95. Just because they can. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest darkstar2004 Posted August 25, 2008 Share #74 Posted August 25, 2008 What amuses me about the photograph of the Nocti in a box/coffin is the reflection of the white cotton gloves in the top left hand corner <shakes head in disbelief>. Bob. And as always, Japanese collectors will fork over $16,000-20,000 U.S. for the 1/100 Noctilux and then promptly have the lens, coffin and exterior box shrink-wrapped, never to be opened, touched or GOD FORBID put on a camera body and actually used! Whatever... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddp Posted August 25, 2008 Share #75 Posted August 25, 2008 We have already been told that Leica will not let the Noctilux name die. Given that the old model is sold out, that can only mean one thing... And it will be a 50 f0.95. Just because they can. Halo product for the M line....letting it disappear might create a nice legend, but a newer faster version will sell just as nicely to those who want exclusivity, and will buy one because they can. Think Ferrari FXX or other limited supercar variations. It's an optic that has always caused derision or lust - usually no in between ground here. Many think it's ridiculous and outdated, and others actually use it. Some even create nice images with the beast. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 26, 2008 Share #76 Posted August 26, 2008 I'm not sure they'll have a new noctilux. It's not like they sold a lot of these lenses to begin with, and in a digital world, where someone can ramp up the iso with a touch of a button, it makes even less sense. My best guess is that the bid news this September is pretty much limited to the R line. You're missing a point here: Noctiluxes are not used primarily for shooting in the dark, they are used for creating an extremely thin DOF for the angle of view, with the attendant unsharpness gradient. That gives a special look to the image. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveYork Posted August 26, 2008 Share #77 Posted August 26, 2008 You're missing a point here: Noctiluxes are not used primarily for shooting in the dark, they are used for creating an extremely thin DOF for the angle of view, with the attendant unsharpness gradient. That gives a special look to the image. Not being a noctilux owner, I wouldn't know. But I believe it is a fair assumption that, historically, many folks purchased noctilux for the extra stop of speed. That's how it was advertised, and indeed, that's where it's very name comes from. My point being that this reason for purchase no longer exists. I do realize that the noctilux has a shallow depth of field and a special look. But your talking about relatively few people who will obtain this lens for this attribute. I just thought that this would not be enough to make it marketable. Apparently, I was wrong, because someone posted that Leica has already announced it's intentions to continue this lens. I still think that most of the big news in September will be R related. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 26, 2008 Share #78 Posted August 26, 2008 Not being a noctilux owner, I wouldn't know. But I believe it is a fair assumption that, historically, many folks purchased noctilux for the extra stop of speed. That's how it was advertised, and indeed, that's where it's very name comes from. My point being that this reason for purchase no longer exists. I do realize that the noctilux has a shallow depth of field and a special look. But your talking about relatively few people who will obtain this lens for this attribute. I just thought that this would not be enough to make it marketable. Apparently, I was wrong, because someone posted that Leica has already announced it's intentions to continue this lens. I still think that most of the big news in September will be R related. Well, a fair number bought the lens for prestige reasons but I would venture to say that most real users did buy the lens for its "look" and not for its speed. After all, a Summilux with Delta 3200 and 1/8th of a second can get images in quite pitch-black conditions. You are right, however, about the marketing. I suppose it is easier to advertise a lens as being "the fastest lens" than it is to try to explain its unique imaging properties. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter_n Posted August 26, 2008 Share #79 Posted August 26, 2008 I don't know if I'm a real user or not, but I certainly didn't buy it for f1.0. I have a 50/1.4 plus a bit faster film if I need speed. I bought the Noctilux for the way it draws the image. Just beautiful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
offshore Posted August 26, 2008 Share #80 Posted August 26, 2008 You're missing a point here: Noctiluxes are not used primarily for shooting in the dark, they are used for creating an extremely thin DOF for the angle of view, with the attendant unsharpness gradient. That gives a special look to the image. I recall the original design was created for reportage and low light capability. The "look" it gives with shallow depth of field was secondary to being able to get the shot. Newspaper reproduction destroys the look of a lens but that is secondary to getting a shot to reproduce. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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