NB23 Posted July 7, 2008 Share #81 Posted July 7, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) Harold: Any camera is good in low light if there's a flash attached to it. Not even have to be using ISO 640. Riccis: By forgiving I mean forgiving. I can give D50, 40D, D300, D3 or any other DSLR for to any assistant or even a Grandmother and they will come back with usable images. Not so sure it would be the case with M8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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zlatkob Posted July 7, 2008 Share #82 Posted July 7, 2008 Jamie, isn't there some expedited repair service for pros to avoid these months-long disappearances? I believe I read about it in another post here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted July 7, 2008 Share #83 Posted July 7, 2008 Harold: Any camera is good in low light if there's a flash attached to it. Not even have to be using ISO 640. Riccis: By forgiving I mean forgiving. I can give D50, 40D, D300, D3 or any other DSLR for to any assistant or even a Grandmother and they will come back with usable images. Not so sure it would be the case with M8 Yes, the M8 being an all-but-manual camera of course it doesn't have the auto-fool P modes that make it appear granny-friendly. Though truth to tell my 4 year old has taken great shots with my m8 set to A mode and the 21 Elmarit set to f4. You could give that to any assistant and they could use it like a point and shoot. Not so much with the 90 'cron, though There is a difference in the lenses available for the M, and while I agree that flash can be a great evener of differences, a 50 1.0 or 35 1.4 shot wide open or close to it just doesn't look like a 2.8 zoom. Moreover, none of the dSLR lenses out there from Canon or Nikon that I've seen have the flare resistance that Leica lenses (R or M) offer and so they work in different ways in very low light (without flash) or in adverse light (with or without flash). It's a small, but important difference, to me anyway Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted July 7, 2008 Share #84 Posted July 7, 2008 Jamie, isn't there some expedited repair service for pros to avoid these months-long disappearances? I believe I read about it in another post here. Yes, and I think that was just starting as mine went in... so it's probably unfair to say whether or not my current trouble is indicative of the new service or not. Here's hoping they're on top of it... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riccis Posted July 7, 2008 Share #85 Posted July 7, 2008 Ned - That's the beauty of not using second shooters, only I can provide the crappy images :) Jamie - Please shoot me an email if you need me to connect you with the Professional Services guys in Germany (repair turnaround is about 2 days and it takes longer to ship the equipment back and forth than the actual time at Solms). You can also get priority repairs at NJ as long as they can do the work there (I haven't spoken to Christian in a few weeks, but I understand he is now also overseeing the repairs in NJ). Cheers, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Tyler Posted July 7, 2008 Share #86 Posted July 7, 2008 Ned - That's the beauty of not using second shooters, only I can provide the crappy images :) Cheers to that! I show up alone yesterday with my little point and shoot M8 and the FOB immediately decided not to take me seriously. Exactly what I wanted. I use a 90 f2.0 pre-Asph at weddings all the time. It rocks hard; with the 1.25x magnifier it's easy to focus. I can usually replace the Canon 70-200L 2.8 IS with the 90 'cron for reception speeches, some dancing closeups, etc... though like Riccis I also have a 75 Lux for when the lights go down. Same here, the 90 replaced 99% of my other telephoto lenses and does it beautifully. I sold my 70-200 IS. In dire circumstances, I keep my 135L 2.0 in the trunk of my car, but so far haven't had to use it (that's a great lens in its own right). Don't have the 75 Lux yet. Itching to get one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted July 7, 2008 Share #87 Posted July 7, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) {snipped} Same here, the 90 replaced 99% of my other telephoto lenses and does it beautifully. I sold my 70-200 IS. In dire circumstances, I keep my 135L 2.0 in the trunk of my car, but so far haven't had to use it (that's a great lens in its own right). Don't have the 75 Lux yet. Itching to get one. Michael--yes that 135 2.0L is a fabulous lens, a bargain and very under-rated overall. As for the 75 Lux--they're great, but try before you buy if you can. Like all the older Lux designs, they're particularly finicky on focus wide open. But the 75 lux is one of the best M lenses in the set, IMO. @ Riccis, thanks for the heads-up on the service... I'll let you know if I need it! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcsang Posted July 7, 2008 Share #88 Posted July 7, 2008 Moreover, none of the dSLR lenses out there from Canon or Nikon that I've seen have the flare resistance that Leica lenses (R or M) offer and so they work in different ways in very low light (without flash) or in adverse light (with or without flash). It's a small, but important difference, to me anyway I would agree with most of what Jamie has said (I don't have a long lens yet - the 75 Lux is on its way though) but I'd like to comment specifically on the flare resistance that he mentioned. I decided to "play" a bit whilst in between shots on Friday evening. The main photographer was waiting for some family members to gather on the stage (this was an Islamic wedding) and in the meantime I took out the M8 and took a photo - just for the heck of it - to see if I am getting the exposure correct more or less - I was surprised what came back because I purposefully put that video light into the frame before snapping the photo: 35 Cron ASPH @ f2 and ISO640 1/30 - I know it's not the same as having the sun behind the subject but I was still pretty impressed - you know, small things amuse small minds... Cheers, Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NB23 Posted July 7, 2008 Share #89 Posted July 7, 2008 Dave, I saw this at RFF and I don't know how to tell you this other then I find it pretty unimpressive. Are those 2 shots tests? Where is the bride, Groom? Dance?... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcsang Posted July 7, 2008 Share #90 Posted July 7, 2008 Dave, I saw this at RFF and I don't know how to tell you this other then I find it pretty unimpressive. Are those 2 shots tests? Where is the bride, Groom? Dance?... Well you see Ned - as I also stated at RFF, I am not about to bust out the camera on a wedding that is not "my own" per se. Secondly, as I stated at RFF, I'm not about to completely use the camera in such a situation until I feel totally comfortable with its handling. The images are not meant to impress - I never said they were artistic (stated also at RFF) nor that they would ever be used for anything other than, again, my own understanding of what the camera can do. Maybe one day when I decide that I have full confidence in my ability to handle the M8 in a wedding setting (I'm still getting accustomed to setting the ISO through their menu rather than through Canons menu) will I be able to use it accordingly. I am no Riccis, Ascough, or otherwise - and I've never claimed to be either Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NB23 Posted July 7, 2008 Share #91 Posted July 7, 2008 Don't get me wrong... As I stated earlier, I'm not sure the M8 is the best tool for such occasions. Some do think so but not me. I was just expecting more substantial snaps then the one you showed. Something that screams Wedding.That's all... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcsang Posted July 7, 2008 Share #92 Posted July 7, 2008 Don't get me wrong... As I stated earlier, I'm not sure the M8 is the best tool for such occasions. Some do think so but not me. I was just expecting more substantial snaps then the one you showed. Something that screams Wedding.That's all... I may have something for you after the 19th then Ned. I don't know if I could ever use the M8 for "everything" in a wedding - I see it more as a candid tool and/or for the getting ready and maybe single portraiture when you have some time with the bride and groom. I can tell you this; I handed the M8 to the primary photographer and, well, based on his style of shooting (he's a "run and gun" sort of guy and likes to move around a lot - I don't mean this in bad way, that's just his style) he could never use the camera for an event. It's too "slow" for him. I do agree that there are, in no uncertain terms, things that a DSLR far excels at when it comes to wedding photos but we all know what those things are and I ain't about flogging the old dead horse For me, I guess I'm just trying to "make" this camera work for me so that I can slowly write down the cost of the camera over the next few years. Oh.. and there's the fact that I do enjoy using a Rangefinder - I just haven't figured out how to adjust my shooting style at weddings to accommodate it. Perhaps I never will.. but without trying.. who knows Cheers Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted July 8, 2008 Share #93 Posted July 8, 2008 I would agree with most of what Jamie has said (I don't have a long lens yet - the 75 Lux is on its way though) but I'd like to comment specifically on the flare resistance that he mentioned. I decided to "play" a bit whilst in between shots on Friday evening. The main photographer was waiting for some family members to gather on the stage (this was an Islamic wedding) and in the meantime I took out the M8 and took a photo - just for the heck of it - to see if I am getting the exposure correct more or less - I was surprised what came back because I purposefully put that video light into the frame before snapping the photo:{snipped} 35 Cron ASPH @ f2 and ISO640 1/30 - I know it's not the same as having the sun behind the subject but I was still pretty impressed - you know, small things amuse small minds... Cheers, Dave Hey Dave--nice shot of Stephen S!! I know it doesn't do it for Ned, but the whole klieg-light horrible video light brightly overpowering everything sure screams "wedding" to me. At least some of the weddings I've been to lately But it makes a nice hair light, too! LOL!!! Just kidding, of course. Was that Stephen's video light or some video guy's? In any case, the flare resistance is impressive, as your shot shows. Try that with a 70-200 and see what you get In fact, many a modern zoom wouldn't retain the kind of contrast and detail in the foreground you have here with that kind of overexposed point source light in the shot. @ Ned--I shoot the M8 at weddings all the time, and I assure you if you like shooting rangefinders--which is a big factor--then they're the right tool for the job. What is it you'd like see? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NB23 Posted July 8, 2008 Share #94 Posted July 8, 2008 @ Ned--I shoot the M8 at weddings all the time, and I assure you if you like shooting rangefinders--which is a big factor--then they're the right tool for the job. What is it you'd like see? Anything Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcsang Posted July 8, 2008 Share #95 Posted July 8, 2008 @Jamie.. the video light was the video guy's light He had THREE of those things - it made life easier in a big hall for Stephen and myself when it came to "available light" but man.. those things were powerful.. Cheers, Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riccis Posted July 8, 2008 Share #96 Posted July 8, 2008 Anything Ned - As I've stated before, the M8 (or any other M) is perfectly suitable for wedding photography. Back when I was a Canon shooter, I never used anything over 85 mm, hence the change for me was not a problem. IMHO, it really doesn't matter whether you shoot your weddings with a Leica, Canon, Holga or XPan (I've actually shot weddings with all those cameras) but instead your ability to document your client's special day with a style of your own. This was one of my first weddings shot with the M8 last year (at that time I could only get my hands on a 35 cron and shot complete weddings with that combo). I shot this image from the bed facing the bride. It was a very small room and I am sure if I had used the big 1Ds Mark II, I would have gotten a lot of attention. Instead, my presence went unnoticed allowing me to capture a scene that, IMHO, portrays the chaos in a bride's room minutes before heading out to get married. I also had split seconds to capture the bride's expression as she only took one puff from her cigarette (again, here I want to use a simple to use camera that allows me to know right away whether I got the shot or not). Cheers, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riccis Posted July 8, 2008 Share #97 Posted July 8, 2008 This one was also shot with the M8 and 35 cron. I saw this moment and also had one chance to make the image I wanted (the woman in the act of opening the door to church and the bride's face perfectly aligned through the missing stained glass). With a DSLR, I would have had to take multiple exposures in order to ensure a good shot (and that still would not have guaranteed me to get the moment I know I wanted to capture)... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Tyler Posted July 8, 2008 Share #98 Posted July 8, 2008 Ned, here are a couple from yesterday's wedding. I switched an M8 between the 35 1.2 Nokton and a 90 cron pre-apo, and used an slr for the wide shots since my 21mm is backfocusing and needs a trip to New Jersey. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/56314-m8-pro-wedding-photography/?do=findComment&comment=598872'>More sharing options...
Riccis Posted July 8, 2008 Share #99 Posted July 8, 2008 Kids are so easily distracted. That, coupled with the fact that the majority of the time they are very nervous before walking the aisle is reason enough to make me try to be as invisible as possible in order to capture scenes like this one... As I shoot my weddings, I like to capture as much context in a single frame as possible in order to keep my album designs as clean and timeless as possible (think of it as trying to create an image that you can rip out of the album, put on a frame and still give you a slice of the story of that wedding day), this is very hard (at least for me) and it's something I constantly try to improve. This image is a good example of that as there is so much going on, the connection between the boy and the woman, the priceless expression of the flower girl, etc... Again, it was shot with the M8 and 35 cron and notice how no one is aware of the camera since I was standing on a pew just like a regular guest. Another example where an SLR would have caused a different interaction from up close and a big telephoto from the front of the church would also have rendered a different scene due to the natural compression that such lenses draw wide open. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riccis Posted July 8, 2008 Share #100 Posted July 8, 2008 Since I am not a telephoto guy (and really don't use anything over 75 mm), I never cared about filling the frame with the bride and dad as they are walking towards the isle. Instead, I'd rather fill the frame with whatever elements I have at my disposal that helps me tell a better story (usually these elements are some of the reasons why the couple wanted to have their wedding at a certain location)... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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