Noise level with future M8 and Noctilux?

[rvaubel]

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Sorry to disappoint some of you;)

 

All IS/AS Systems available on the market with sensor sizes of APS or larger support available/low light photography better than any Leica M without a stabilizing system.

 

 

Philip

 

Most of do not want an IS system on the M8. There are many reasons but foremost is to maintain a simple, clean, honest, non-gimmicky camera.

 

Another equally important reason is that IS is not necessary at normal or wide focal lengths. I will grant you that it works, but motion blur becomes the deciding factor at 1/15 sec or longer. Since I can reliable hold 1/15 with a normal or wide lens, IS would jist be a uselss gadget. I have IS on some my DSLR telephoto's and wouldn't have it any way. But for low light rangefinder situations, there is no need.

 

Just give me a camera that has low noise at high ISO with superior dynamic range in a compact rangefinder camera. Add the traditional Leica quality and M mount lenses, and I will be a happy camper.

 

Rex

[like_no_other]

OK, if it has to be a digital rangefinder, it has to be the Leica M8 of course.

If we are talking about cameras in general I can offer a choice. Take the KonicaMinolta 7 D.

This System offers very good quality at ISO 1600, has a sensor based stabilizing system you can use all lenses with. There are some very good Minolta 1,4 lenses, too. The Anti Shake offers 3 extra stops (practically proven).

 

All I want to say is that I wish that the Leica M8 should have such a sensor based stabilizing system for all the M lenses we have. AS is no gimmick at all. It is a very substantial improvement. Only one button more at the camera.

 

Regards

Philip

[Bob Ross]

OK, if it has to be a digital rangefinder, it has to be the Leica M8 of course.

If we are talking about cameras in general I can offer a choice. Take the KonicaMinolta 7 D.

This System offers very good quality at ISO 1600, has a sensor based stabilizing system you can use all lenses with. There are some very good Minolta 1,4 lenses, too. The Anti Shake offers 3 extra stops (practically proven).

 

All I want to say is that I wish that the Leica M8 should have such a sensor based stabilizing system for all the M lenses we have. AS is no gimmick at all. It is a very substantial improvement. Only one button more at the camera.

 

Regards

Philip

In a way Phillip is right. I have a KM5D and use it with a 85/1.4, often at ISO1600........BUT, you better hope that your subject is deaf:eek: The shutter/mirror sound on the KM DSLRs (and now Sony's) is anything but stealthy. There is an engineering reason for the loud sound, vibration reduction. My E-1 and M6, on the other hand, are both very steathy.

The AS does work and adds a polish to images that would have otherwise been most likely soft, from camera motion. The in-viewfinder AS indicator is like a personal seismograph, indicating your coffee consumption:D

[lct]

So a 6 megapix DSLR could be the 'best non-obstrusive available light system' against the Digital M

[Giulio Zanni]

I have a digital M on pre-order even if I can assure you that with a digicam like the latest Sony R1, with a good and relatively fast zoom, live EVF and silent shutter you can do pretty amazing pj work.

 

Giulio

[ulphoto]

I've been using the DigiLux2 for news work for over 2 years now. It is an astounding people camera in that it is not intimidating like a slr and is absolutely silent - people often ask when I'm going to start taking pictures even though I've made many already. The lens is beautiful, truly deserving the leica name. The electronic viewfinder leaves a lot to be desired - manual focusing is cumberson and distracting when a situation is fluid. Luckily the extra DOF helps out so I often zone focus when working wide. The biggest short coming for me is the noise - I seldom shoot at more than 200 ISO and then only if I really need more shutter speed. My R8/DMR works better at higher ISO's so I'm hoping the M8 will be even better.

I'm looking forward to replacing it with the M8, I'll be able to use my M lenses (21,35,50 and 90mm - think I'll try out the 15mm Voitlander to use with my 21mm finder) The M8 should handle well, I have always been comfortable using the M series cameras but just don't shoot film any more, guess I'll sell my M6 to offset the M8 cost, hope It'll have some resale value! Certainly looking forward to its introduction and hope it'll be an excellent digital back for the M lenses!

Bob LaPree