spylaw4 Posted June 29, 2008 Share #341 Posted June 29, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) I agree with both viewpoints ... and therein lies the conundrum for this particular thread: it's so long now that newcomers are unlikely to read it so generally the same faces are following it and contributing which means little new blood and the thread gradually losing steam it contains a large amount of excellent information that will be useful for current and future reference that should be preserved and readily available to the wider audience certain members (Im! ) are running mischievous interference, which pulls it gently away from its core theme, which is wayward intervention by misinformed or over-zealous 'authorities' that disrupts lawful photography So, the question is: is there a more convenient or more appropriate (better?) place to retain the important contributions such as: Bill's excellent pull-out on Photographers' Rights various members personal experiences and what eventuated progress on Austin Mitchell's Early Day Motion the excellent work by members such as Brian and James in raising various official bodies' awareness to the issues and encouraging them to acknowlege the issues and act on them. My first thaought was that the Leica Wiki might be the place but on reflection it's not the right place because these are wider issues that affect more than only Leica users. So perhaps a cut-down version of the thread as a sticky with a reference back to this thread and let the thread take its course? Or we could do nothing and watch the thread perhaps stagnate and die a natural death with the worthwhile content lost. What do you think should be done? Pete. I would support Pete's idea about extracting the important info from the thread and placing it as a sticky either here on the Barnack or on the Customer forum and referring back to this thread on which "mischevious interference" can then run rampant. How one does this exactly would probably require a Moderator to spend a little while on it? Well worth it IMO! Relevant updates could be placed on a new thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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chris_livsey Posted July 6, 2008 Share #342 Posted July 6, 2008 British Journal of Photography - Home Secretary green lights restrictions on photography Oh dear me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted July 6, 2008 Share #343 Posted July 6, 2008 Chris "Oh dear me" doesn't even come close. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted July 6, 2008 Author Share #344 Posted July 6, 2008 Thanks for shifting, Andy. This makes sense. Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted July 6, 2008 Share #345 Posted July 6, 2008 Thanks, Andy. I see from the article that Chris linked to that the minister of The Department for Slopey Shoulderedness has swung into bevelled-scapula action and given our brave officers carte blanche, with no come backs, to do pretty much as they please with law-abiding photographers. (Or perhaps there no such thing as a law-abiding photographer in this country anymore?) I wonder what the de Menezes family would make of this ... <shakes head sadly in disbelief> Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted July 6, 2008 Share #346 Posted July 6, 2008 British Journal of Photography - Home Secretary green lights restrictions on photography Sorry but I don't understand. If there are no legal restrictions, how can anything be enforced? Local restrictions would require some form of legal status - such as a byelaw - surely. If something isn't illegal, you can't stop it - or at least any resulting legal action is doomed. I'm baffled. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted July 6, 2008 Share #347 Posted July 6, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) Any Law is open to some interpretation and can be clarified by judges. So, it has to get that far... This is going to cause a lot of problems. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_livsey Posted July 6, 2008 Share #348 Posted July 6, 2008 You would think that this question would not tax the minds of our rulers: Is it illegal for Foreign Intelligence Agencies to operate in the UK, or not ? Two answers: Jacqui Smith: It is illegal for foreign intelligence agencies to operate in this country. House of Commons Hansard Debates for 21 Feb 2008 (pt 0007) Mr. McNulty [holding answer 28 April 2008]: Any activity is permitted as long as it is in accordance with law. House of Commons Hansard Written Answers for 18 Jun 2008 (pt 0011) And you want clarity on what you can photograph ? (this was following the prison bugging episode after which it was rumoured that HMG was "accepting" information obtained from bugging by the French intelligence service carried out in the UK as they were not permitted to carry it out themselves being bound by the "wilson doctrine" and codes of conduct.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Whitewillow321 Posted July 7, 2008 Share #349 Posted July 7, 2008 This is absolutely outrageous. This is the rule of ignorance. I am in complete despair at the state this country has got into. Thanks Bush and Blair and their supporters. I don't live in the U.K. and I have never been there. However, I do read UK newspapers online and watch the BBC. It sounds like your country is devolving into a paranoid fascist state. Your government is using fear of an external threat to crush your civil liberties. It sounds like the plot of a Hollywood movie called "V for Vendetta". Your society is under very strict surveillance with a whole lot of fear mongering. The movie was just a cartoon. What you are talking about is real and ominous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted July 7, 2008 Share #350 Posted July 7, 2008 Actually most of us who wrote to our MP's had replies along similar lines, i.e. its up to individual forces and officers etc etc. I'm not surprised that the Home Secretary has just passed the buck on this one. It seems to be the first thing a politician tries to do with any given problem. Meanwhile I'm waiting on my response under the FoI act.... Statistics in relation to incidents of 'suspicious' photographers / anti terrorism ad campaign - WhatDoTheyKnow Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted July 7, 2008 Author Share #351 Posted July 7, 2008 I've had media training due to my job. It's fascinating to watch politicians once you know what they have (also) been taught. The best don't even look as if they are dodging the question/accusation/responsibility. BTW - isn't there a "service level" on FOI requests? Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted July 7, 2008 Share #352 Posted July 7, 2008 When I get a chance, I'll cut out the interesting "chatter" from this thread, and leave the really gard-core useful stuff as a sticky here. Then I will put the chatter back into the bar, and use this thread as a reference. Or maybe the other way round Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_livsey Posted July 7, 2008 Share #353 Posted July 7, 2008 A couple more links on this that are relevant: 'Concern is rising that the police are abusing powers' - Press Gazette www.marcvallee.co.uk | marc valle | blog Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenneth Posted July 7, 2008 Share #354 Posted July 7, 2008 You'll not catch me with a Brazilian... Regards, Bill or these two I hope Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/47106-advice-to-photographers-in-uk/?do=findComment&comment=598796'>More sharing options...
imported_peter_m Posted July 8, 2008 Share #355 Posted July 8, 2008 Kind of related to the topic. 'Big Brother’ government costs us £20billion - Telegraph Your taxes at work. Peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhsimmonds Posted July 8, 2008 Share #356 Posted July 8, 2008 I don't live in the U.K. and I have never been there. However, I do read UK newspapers online and watch the BBC. It sounds like your country is devolving into a paranoid fascist state. Your government is using fear of an external threat to crush your civil liberties. It sounds like the plot of a Hollywood movie called "V for Vendetta". Your society is under very strict surveillance with a whole lot of fear mongering. The movie was just a cartoon. What you are talking about is real and ominous. Very well described for someone "looking in" from overseas. Regrettably it is just like this and started internally as soon as the Blair government came to power. I had a job (before I retired) where I interfaced with senior government officers at that time and Blair very quickly tied the noose around them to the point where they were terrified to share with industy any info that would benefit UK Ltd. We were a bit slow at first to realise that we as Industry were giving away info but failing to get anything back. This government paranoia has continued and widened now to encompass motorists, photographers and so many others as well..........unless you are a subscriber to the Labour party that is! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_livsey Posted July 8, 2008 Share #357 Posted July 8, 2008 Sorry to keep finding more bad news. 42 days and hand over your flash card | PhotoRights.org Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Whitewillow321 Posted July 9, 2008 Share #358 Posted July 9, 2008 Very well described for someone "looking in" from overseas. Regrettably it is just like this and started internally as soon as the Blair government came to power. I had a job (before I retired) where I interfaced with senior government officers at that time and Blair very quickly tied the noose around them to the point where they were terrified to share with industy any info that would benefit UK Ltd. We were a bit slow at first to realise that we as Industry were giving away info but failing to get anything back. This government paranoia has continued and widened now to encompass motorists, photographers and so many others as well..........unless you are a subscriber to the Labour party that is! To put it in terms a Brit would understand..what would Winston Churchill do? Vigorously defend his civil liberties ...or not? As the famous orator and leader once said "NEVER EVER EVER GIVE UP!" Now i will get off my democratic soapbox and go back to wondering what kind of beautiful delightful new cameras that Leica will bring out at Photokina 2008... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEd Posted July 9, 2008 Share #359 Posted July 9, 2008 IMast[/left];577450]................... An interested aside, and on a rainy day just before the ........election, I counted and analysed the EDM votes which were: Labour 100 of 351 = 28.49% Conserv. 43 of 192 = 22.4% Lib Dem 47 of 63 = 74.6% Others 15 of 35 = 42.85% What a tale that tells!...................... Ian Thanks Ian, .......left wingers don't want to accept the fact that the Right is for individual freedoms, unlike the Labour/Lib Dem that want to control every aspect of people's lives. People need to wake up. It all comes down to how we talk at the ballot box, not how many letters are written to useless politicians...... Ed. . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEd Posted July 9, 2008 Share #360 Posted July 9, 2008 Thanks Ian,.......left wingers don't want to accept the fact that the Right is for individual freedoms, unlike the Labour/Lib Dem that want to control every aspect of people's lives. People need to wake up. It all comes down to how we talk at the ballot box, not how many letters are written to useless politicians...... Ed. . Clarification: When I talk about the "Right" I don't mean clowns like George W. Bush or John McCain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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