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[sdai]

All night shots have pretty strong light sources. When wide open at ISO 800, you only get 1/13 sec. ... not very useful IMO.

[Black Dot]

Looks like the DP1 at ISO 800 has less noise than my Digilux 2 at ISO 100. I'm in for one!

[smokysun]

interesting to compare the polaroid x530 which has the same sensor with a ricoh lens, vewfinder, and raw! $100 each before they disappeared.

 

x530 foveon #1 Photo Gallery by wayne pease at pbase.com

 

and these were shot from the audience at a deliberately slow speed to mirror the oddity of the show itself:

 

polaroid x530 bluebeard's last nite b&w Photo Gallery by wayne pease at pbase.com

 

the reviews killed it. i don't know why. especially at that price.

[osscat]

Now if there was a viewfinder (never saw that Polaroid camera) I could see this in my pocket - or something like it.

 

I like a viewfinder.

 

osscat

[Bob Ross]

interesting to compare the polaroid x530 which has the same sensor with a ricoh lens, vewfinder, and raw! $100 each before they disappeared.

Wayne.

The DP-1 has the sensor from the SD-14, with a 1.7 FOV. The Poloroid x530 had one of those bitsy sensors like the P&S have.

Bob

[smokysun]

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hi bob,

thanks for the correction. didn't seem possible when i said it. the polaroid does have a 2.6 to 3.4 lens however, 7.3-21.9 mm. kind of surprising sigma didn't go for something faster.

best,

wayne

ps. i do like sigma lenses on the canon. their own cameras seem to have a pale, flat color.

[philipotto]

Askey just posted a few shots taken with the DP1 Beta.

[martinb]

The files look good. The thing that's disappointing about the camera is that's it's a bad low light camera. It only has f/4 and ISO up to 800. The GR Digital has f/2.4 and allthouh more noisy I find it's usable up to ISO 800 and maybe even ISO 1600 for black and white. There's also a lot of other compact options with decent ISO 400 and 800, IS and f/2.8.

[Bob Ross]

hi bob,

thanks for the correction. didn't seem possible when i said it. the polaroid does have a 2.6 to 3.4 lens however, 7.3-21.9 mm. kind of surprising sigma didn't go for something faster.

best,

wayne

ps. i do like sigma lenses on the canon. their own cameras seem to have a pale, flat color.

Hi Wayne,

It is a strange bird with a slow 28mm equivalent, "in your face" lens. It would be a good travel documentary tool, but for people and getting in close, you'll have to live with the wide angle warping. It will be fun to see how people use it. I think if Sigma went for longer or faster, they would have encountered a size issue. I hope it generates some similar units from other mfrs.

Bob

[mjh]

the reviews killed it. i don't know why. especially at that price.

Back then, I had just got an x530 for a review when the manufacturer (WWL) issued a recall, and I complied. I was promised another x530 when the outstanding issues had been solved (after its introduction had been postponed again and again, raising the suspicion that it was just vaporware), but I never heard from them again. So the review never happened.

 

The main problem then was that image processing of Foveon X3 data is an extremely challenging task, and the x530 wasn’t really up to it (while raw image quality was fine). Years later, there is still a world of a difference between raw files and JPEG images from the more powerful SD14.

[Riley]

the reviews killed it. i don't know why. especially at that price.

 

im a tad more suspicious of reviewers than most, sometimes i wonder just what goes on in the background. For instance i figure Askey is very Canon centric to the point of being obtuse. LiveView was a problem looking for a solution when it appeared on E-330, now he criticizes Sony for not having it. E-1 was a truly nice camera, but reading the review its clear Askey didnt like it.

 

Then there was the very public E3 fiasco, after the quite negative E410 review it looked from the outside that Olympus told him to walk when he asked for an E3 sample

 

Even yet, there is no review of 1DMkIII, the phrase "you cant handle the truth" comes to mind. I guess the point Im making is, is it sometimes simply a matter of opinion, or is there some sort of pro advertising loyalty, or is there something wholly more suspicious than that.

 

The Sigma SD14 was simply by-passed, yet many people would love to see just what goes on with foveon now, one wonders what lay in wait for Sigma's DP1

[Black Dot]

The files look good. The thing that's disappointing about the camera is that's it's a bad low light camera. It only has f/4 and ISO up to 800. The GR Digital has f/2.4 and allthouh more noisy I find it's usable up to ISO 800 and maybe even ISO 1600 for black and white. There's also a lot of other compact options with decent ISO 400 and 800, IS and f/2.8.

 

The reason the DP1 lens is only f4 is due to the (physical) size of the sensor. A larger sensor needs a larger lens. It is said that an f2.8 lens on the DP1 would be as much as 1/3 larger than it is now. At that point you have what looks like a large SLR lens with a small camera attached to it. Maybe they could tweak ISO 800 for a more film-like grain and give it an ISO 1600 B&W mode via a future firmware update? I'd like to see ISO 50 as well. I guess IS might have helped a little despite it not being a zoom camera.

[Guest stnami]

Yea yea blah blah f4 800 etc,..................... what impresses me is the Foveon's take on colour, an oddity but I can see a whole new playground. The only things that halted me here was the SD14's size ................the DP-1 could be that camera to expeiment with

[Riley]

good for you Imants

[Guest stnami]

.......it could be the closest one can get going down a autochrome style path digitally. Sure the specs are a bit suss as a digital camera goes .......yea I know a pricey experiment if things go turtle. Anyway things are getting a bit docile in the loony bin

[osscat]

But there is no viewfinder - not even amongst many of the other usable cameras being produced.

 

I may be old fashioned but I feel more in control of what I am shooting using a viewfinder and regard myself as less conspicuous than standing arms outstretched peering at a barely visible miniature screen.

 

One almost has to resort to stand camera methods using a lupe and a dark cloth to see the image.

 

Not the best for street or reportage stuff walking about with a bag over your head now is it?

 

Osscat

[Riley]

But there is no viewfinder - not even amongst many of the other usable cameras being produced.

 

 

Dp1 has an accessory VF

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[gennfiks]

Just a thought: if I have a 28mm lens on the camera, I can easily get a longer focal lenght lens by usnig a "simple" add-on. Maybe if you had a dp1 with a 50mm equivalent lens it would take a heck of an add-on (remember D2 to get 21 mm?) out of 28. Probably we'll see quite a number of add-on lenses for the dp1 and have quite a versatile camera with no dust on the sensor problems.

 

Just my 5 cents worth of thought.

[osscat]

"Dp1 has an accessory VF"

 

Thanks Riley - that is interesting - but I assume the VF is a clumsy device that sticks up making it awkward to pocket easily.

 

The beauty of the leica system is its small size making its use inconspicuous.

 

It must not be too difficult to make a viewfinder, for a fixed focal length lens, fit into these little cameras.

 

Anyway thats what I think - until the manufacturers accommodate my irrational viewfinder fetish, don't be too alarmed if you see a man wandering the streets with a cloth over his head trying to blend in naturally with his surroundings.

 

Osscat