NicoSt Posted November 23 Share #1 Posted November 23 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) Hello everybody, I am Nico from The Netherlands and I read this forum for quite some time now. I have never participated in it, but now I have a question about a Leica IIIa. The top plate has the serial 220756, but after removing this plate, I find the serial 358674* on the chassis. I know there is a lot of knowledge here, so I hope there is someone who knows how this could have happened. Regard Nico Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited November 23 by NicoSt Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/425599-leica-iiia-with-strange-internal-serial-number/?do=findComment&comment=5897417'>More sharing options...
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jaapv Posted November 23 Share #2 Posted November 23 Probably somebody swapped out a damaged top plate in the past. The internal number is the correct one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PG Black nickel Posted November 23 Share #3 Posted November 23 Very strange, this number is normally for a Leica IId... but the series ends at 358,650! However, the limits of Leica camera series are very vague and not fixed! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dg4mgr Posted November 23 Share #4 Posted November 23 220756 is from 1936, and 358650 is the last IId from 1948. Note there is a star behind the number, which was used in case a number was issued twice. Maybe the 220756 needed repair in 1948, and due to unrepairable damage in the body, got new insides with the number 358674*, and * because a camera with this number was never issued? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerzy Posted November 23 Share #5 Posted November 23 vor 24 Minuten schrieb dg4mgr: is the last IId shall be II, without d. According to Hahe highest serial within II was 358700. Top plate had another number, milled off. With some portion of imagination I believe to recognize there "70" in the middle. You may try to make another photo, different illumination, another angle and higher resolution. Maybe then more digits will be clear Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/425599-leica-iiia-with-strange-internal-serial-number/?do=findComment&comment=5897544'>More sharing options...
PG Black nickel Posted November 23 Share #6 Posted November 23 370xxx Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/425599-leica-iiia-with-strange-internal-serial-number/?do=findComment&comment=5897548'>More sharing options...
NicoSt Posted November 23 Author Share #7 Posted November 23 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) Thanks for the responses. I didn't realize that there was another serial number, that has been milled off. I took a photo with different light and I read the number 357731, I am not sure about the first digit. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited November 23 by NicoSt Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/425599-leica-iiia-with-strange-internal-serial-number/?do=findComment&comment=5897554'>More sharing options...
dg4mgr Posted November 23 Share #8 Posted November 23 Wow, even a third number in the same camera - also from the 1948-1950 range Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerzy Posted November 23 Share #9 Posted November 23 do you really have 1/1000 on the speed dial? Can you set it? Shutter will not open on 1/1000th, special screw on the pawl is missing/was never installed there. Pawl is for II/III, without 1/1000 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/425599-leica-iiia-with-strange-internal-serial-number/?do=findComment&comment=5897599'>More sharing options...
jerzy Posted November 23 Share #10 Posted November 23 this is the pawl for IIIa/IIIb, with the bolt for 1/1000 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/425599-leica-iiia-with-strange-internal-serial-number/?do=findComment&comment=5897601'>More sharing options...
NicoSt Posted November 23 Author Share #11 Posted November 23 Thanks again for all the replies, I learn a lot from this discussion. The speed dial is modified, the 1/1000 is milled off and filled with metal. It doesn't look nice, but maybe it's worn out. Some thoughts: This Leica started it's life as a IIIa in 1936 As mentioned in an reply, the IIIa could have been sent out for repair around 1948, where they switch the body with body 357731 / 358674* (I don't know why they changed that number). Because they used a II body, the speed dial is modified. This sounds logical to me, but it's all assumptions. What do you think? Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/425599-leica-iiia-with-strange-internal-serial-number/?do=findComment&comment=5897635'>More sharing options...
jerzy Posted November 23 Share #12 Posted November 23 you may check with Leica history of camera including dates when it was in repair with Leica. Camera has a mixup of various parts and as such would never leave the factory or Leica service. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/425599-leica-iiia-with-strange-internal-serial-number/?do=findComment&comment=5897663'>More sharing options...
NicoSt Posted November 23 Author Share #13 Posted November 23 Hi Jerzy, thanks, that's a good idea. I will do that and will report the result here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuliobigazzi Posted November 24 Share #14 Posted November 24 (edited) Very interesting.. I’d have another look at the top plate, to me it looks like it may have been re engraved in a cruder way than Leitz would Edited November 24 by Giuliobigazzi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NicoSt Posted December 3 Author Share #15 Posted December 3 Hello, I asked Leica for any information about this camera and they only could tell me that it was sent to Köln in 1936. There was no information about service or repairs, so I think the research stops here. I had hoped for more, but it is what it is. Anser from Leica: Bezüglich der Leica IIIa SNr. #220756 wurde diese am 25. November 1936 nach "Köln" versandt, der Empfänger ist nicht vermerkt. Zu Serviceleistungen gibt es keine Eintragungen im Archiv oder unserem aktuelle System . Zu den anderen von Ihnen genannten Nummern auf dieser Kamera konnte ich leider nichts in Erfahrung bringen ! I want to thank you all for your contribution. Best Regards Nico Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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