ALScott Posted October 15 Share #21 Posted October 15 Advertisement (gone after registration) 10 minutes ago, jakontil said: So did the M11 in black You are correct. My bad, I thought the internal storage was only added with the M11P. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jakontil Posted October 15 Share #22 Posted October 15 2 minutes ago, ALScott said: You are correct. My bad, I thought the internal storage was only added with the M11P. Apologies, i was referring only to the color since i assume almost practically they r the same camera with the same output Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALScott Posted October 15 Share #23 Posted October 15 1 minute ago, jakontil said: Apologies, i was referring only to the color since i assume almost practically they r the same camera with the same output Ha, that's where I am fairly confident there is a difference. The Safari is supposedly a brass top plate where the blacks are not. However, you are correct as far as output as far as I know, and I don't know much. I did sell my M11P black to buy a Safari though for the supposed differences in build and color of course. I can say the Safari is without a doubt heavier than my M11P black so there must be something to the reported build differences. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakontil Posted October 15 Share #24 Posted October 15 3 minutes ago, ALScott said: Ha, that's where I am fairly confident there is a difference. The Safari is supposedly a brass top plate where the blacks are not. However, you are correct as far as output as far as I know, and I don't know much. I did sell my M11P black to buy a Safari though for the supposed differences in build and color of course. I can say the Safari is without a doubt heavier than my M11P black so there must be something to the reported build differences. Indeed.. for the M11 series that includes M11 mono and M11D all black are aluminum except black glossy M11, i still cannot get used to the material, hence always sided with the brass which i hope leica keep making as an options, like otherwise i skip the mono and the D which i actually fond of Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALScott Posted October 15 Share #25 Posted October 15 11 minutes ago, jakontil said: Indeed.. for the M11 series that includes M11 mono and M11D all black are aluminum except black glossy M11, i still cannot get used to the material, hence always sided with the brass which i hope leica keep making as an options, like otherwise i skip the mono and the D which i actually fond of I am 13 months into the M series starting with M11P black. When the Safari came out I had to have it as silly as that is at the end of the day. However, I must say that with its extra weight it does carry better with all the lenses I have compared to the Black series. I say "heavy" but know that I do not think any Leica camera is heavy as my experience comes from a long ago career with film cameras and then DSLR's. Compared to those all of these are silly compact and light. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve edmunds Posted October 16 Author Share #26 Posted October 16 so its quite clear that from a pure image quality photo tool perspective the M11 is equal to all other versions 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNK100 Posted October 18 Share #27 Posted October 18 Advertisement (gone after registration) On 10/16/2025 at 11:02 PM, steve edmunds said: so its quite clear that from a pure image quality photo tool perspective the M11 is equal to all other versions I could never see any benefit in the P model for me. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
snoopss Posted October 19 Share #28 Posted October 19 The M11-P is not less noisy than the M11 ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNK100 Posted October 19 Share #29 Posted October 19 6 minutes ago, snoopss said: The M11-P is not less noisy than the M11 ? No the sensor noise is exactly the same. If you are referring to the shutter, you may be thinking of the M10 as the M11 shutter is identical to the M11p. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
snoopss Posted October 19 Share #30 Posted October 19 Yes I was referring to the shutter. I never used M11 or M11-P. I owned a M10-P. The shutter sound is the same between M10-P and M11 ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedaes Posted October 19 Share #31 Posted October 19 On 10/15/2025 at 7:43 AM, jakontil said: always sided with the brass which i hope leica keep making as an options, The silver chrome M11-P has the brass top plate. The next silver chrome M will probably also be brass 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakontil Posted October 19 Share #32 Posted October 19 2 hours ago, pedaes said: The silver chrome M11-P has the brass top plate. The next silver chrome M will probably also be brass The last i have heard, the black M10 and M10M as well as M10D were also brass 😫 but finger crossed the brass would still be a mass option for next M 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNK100 Posted October 21 Share #33 Posted October 21 On 10/19/2025 at 10:34 AM, snoopss said: Yes I was referring to the shutter. I never used M11 or M11-P. I owned a M10-P. The shutter sound is the same between M10-P and M11 ? No, as the M11 shutter is normally open. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNK100 Posted October 21 Share #34 Posted October 21 On 10/19/2025 at 12:29 PM, pedaes said: The silver chrome M11-P has the brass top plate. The next silver chrome M will probably also be brass As does the SC M11 of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedaes Posted October 21 Share #35 Posted October 21 46 minutes ago, JNK100 said: As does the SC M11 of course. Of course! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
costa43 Posted October 21 Share #36 Posted October 21 On 10/19/2025 at 12:34 PM, snoopss said: Yes I was referring to the shutter. I never used M11 or M11-P. I owned a M10-P. The shutter sound is the same between M10-P and M11 ? Nope and the M11-P has a slightly higher pitched shutter sound to the standard M11. The M0-P/M10-R have the quietest sound. More muffled. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNK100 Posted October 22 Share #37 Posted October 22 12 hours ago, costa43 said: Nope and the M11-P has a slightly higher pitched shutter sound to the standard M11. The M0-P/M10-R have the quietest sound. More muffled. I was unaware of this. Do you have any further information as I have not heard this anywhere before? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malabito Posted October 23 Share #38 Posted October 23 I have the M11M, which is built upon the M11P, and the M11, and I don't see any reason to pay for the P version over the standard one unless it's for the looks. They behave exactly the same, no difference. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Black Posted October 23 Share #39 Posted October 23 22 hours ago, JNK100 said: I was unaware of this. Do you have any further information as I have not heard this anywhere before? It's a fundamentally different sequence of events. The M10-P / M10-R / M10-M have the same shutter. Probably the M10-D as well. When taking a picture, the shutter opens, then closes and is ready for the next picture. On the M11, its steady state is with the shutter open. When it comes to take picture, the shutter closes. Then it opens & closes to do the capture (like the M10, etc.). Once done, it then has to re-open shutter. Effectively there are two full shutter cycles. This all happens fairly quickly, but it a fundamentally different sequence of events vs the M10 era cameras. If the M11 model has an aluminum top plate, I'm more cognizant of the additional machinations. Whereas iIf the camera has a brass top plate (I have the Safari), that seems to absorb (dampen) the vibrations better. And if I have a 1/2 case on the M11-P Safari, that also helps insulate the shutter noise. If Leica would do a firmware where the M11 cameras used electronic first curtain shutter, then they would have a very slick shutter experience - it would not need to close the shutter to start the capture. So some lag would be removed from the calculus and start of the frame capture would be vibration free. I was always puzzled why the beta testers didn't call this out. There's nothing new or novel about electronic first curtain shutter, Sony has been using it since the A7rII. I'm hopeful the M12 brings electronic first curtain shutter. If so, I expect that would best shutter experience to date on a digital M. And if they added IBIS... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNK100 Posted October 23 Share #40 Posted October 23 1 hour ago, John Black said: It's a fundamentally different sequence of events. The M10-P / M10-R / M10-M have the same shutter. Probably the M10-D as well. When taking a picture, the shutter opens, then closes and is ready for the next picture. On the M11, its steady state is with the shutter open. When it comes to take picture, the shutter closes. Then it opens & closes to do the capture (like the M10, etc.). Once done, it then has to re-open shutter. Effectively there are two full shutter cycles. This all happens fairly quickly, but it a fundamentally different sequence of events vs the M10 era cameras. If the M11 model has an aluminum top plate, I'm more cognizant of the additional machinations. Whereas iIf the camera has a brass top plate (I have the Safari), that seems to absorb (dampen) the vibrations better. And if I have a 1/2 case on the M11-P Safari, that also helps insulate the shutter noise. If Leica would do a firmware where the M11 cameras used electronic first curtain shutter, then they would have a very slick shutter experience - it would not need to close the shutter to start the capture. So some lag would be removed from the calculus and start of the frame capture would be vibration free. I was always puzzled why the beta testers didn't call this out. There's nothing new or novel about electronic first curtain shutter, Sony has been using it since the A7rII. I'm hopeful the M12 brings electronic first curtain shutter. If so, I expect that would best shutter experience to date on a digital M. And if they added IBIS... Thank you . It's interesting that the brass top plate dampens the sound. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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