Leica IIIc/IIIf Betriebsk

[estenopo]

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Hola. Aquí está mi Leica IIIc o IIIf Betriebsk. N.º 397696, pero el vendedor me dijo que es la (079). No sé cuál es y no quiero desmontarla para revisar el interior. Me dio un documento de Leica que no puedo descifrar ni traducir. ¿Alguien puede ayudarme? Gracias.

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[jerzy]

I wonder how many of us can read and understand spanish, me not. Nowadays translating is a question of seconds, but anyhow _ for those like me here is the english (google) translation

"Hello. Here's my Leica IIIc or IIIf Betriebsk. No. 397696, but the seller told me it's the (079). I don't
know which one it is, and I don't want to take it apart to check the inside. He gave me a Leica document that I can't decipher or translate. Can anyone help me? Thanks."

in mid 60-ties, when Leica stopped production of screwmount Leicas the former Betriebskameras have been revised and equipped with the new, regular top cover. As serial numer the previously unused numbers 397xxx were assigned and cameras have been sold, presumably within the employees. 079 means pretty sure that it was Betriebskamera 079, some indication may be found inside the camera. My former Bkamera was 064, has as well sharkskin covering

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Hace 12 horas, jerzy dijo:

Me pregunto cuántos de nosotros podemos leer y entender español, yo no. Hoy en día tradujo es cuestión de segundos, pero bueno, para quienes como yo, aquí está la traducción al inglés (Google).

Hola . Aquí está mi Leica IIIc o IIIf Betriebsk. N.º 397696, pero el vendedor me dijo que es la (079). No
sé cuál es y no quiero desmontarla para revisar el interior. Me dio un documento de Leica que no puedo descifrar ni traducir. ¿Alguien puede ayudarme? Gracias.

A mediados de los 60, cuando Leica cesó la producción de cámaras Leica con montura de rosca, las antiguas Betriebskameras fueron revisadas y equipadas con la nueva cubierta superior estándar. Se asignaron como número de serie los números 397xxx, que no se usaban anteriormente, y las cámaras se vendieron, presumiblemente entre los empleados. 079 significa que es bastante probable que se tratea de la Betriebskamera 079; es posible que se encuentre alguna indicación en el interior de la cámara. Mi antigua Betriebskamera era la 064 y también tiene una cubierta de piel de tiburón.

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Thanks, Jerzy. I write everything first in Spanish, and then I translate it using Google to English to edit it in that language, following the forum rules. I don't know why it appears in Spanish for everyone.
I've sent photos of the Leica document to see if anyone can read it and vouch for it. If there's no response, I'll have to see the inside of the camera.

 

[estenopo]

Thanks, Jerzy. I write everything first in Spanish, and then I translate it using Google to English to edit it in that language, following the forum rules. I don't know why it appears in Spanish for everyone.
I've sent photos of the Leica document to see if anyone can read it and vouch for it. If there's no response, I'll have to see the inside of the camera.

[romanus53]

vor 50 Minuten schrieb estenopo:

I've sent photos of the Leica document to see if anyone can read it and vouch for it. 

As Jerzy wrote the reading inidcates that these cameras were equipped with a new top cover (sharkskin, synchronized too) and offered as Betriebskamera to employies, dated 5th of Nov 1965 (pretty late)

[estenopo]

Thanks, Romanus43 and Jerzy. This is very valuable information for me.

[jerzy]

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vor 13 Stunden schrieb jerzy:

My former Bkamera was 064,

correction - my Betriebskamera was previously 063. Insode the camera this number is scratched on the place where it was scribed after aplying synchronisation. I do not remember if there was any number where the arrow points, it is the regular place where camera number was engraved. On the cameras that were synchronised later (as our cameras) the engraved number is covered by the flash contacts and it was practice at Leica that camera number was scribed later as it may be seen. The second occurance of 063 is backside of the cover.
There is as well Betr.-K engraved on camera frame. And for the "freaks" - starting with IIIc, serial aprox 410xxx each camera frame received its own, sequencial number. Number on my camera is 45572 and this allows to assign the date when this Betriebskamera was made - it was when IIIc with serial aaprox 460xxx was produced. This is is line with sharkskin covering. Your camera is is probably close to mine, and although is does not have selft timer it originates from the same period as mine.

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[jerzy]

i found an indication that your camerea was really Betriebskamera 079 - inside the bottom cover this number is written. Have a look

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[estenopo]

Excellent information, Jerzy. Yes, indeed, the photo of 079 written in pencil on the inside of the base cover is from my camera. It's like new, and I don't want to open it to check the engravings inside. You've provided a wealth of information, which I greatly appreciate. I seem to remember I have other Leicas with the serial number written in pencil in the same place. I'll look for them.