M11 for me Posted July 27 Share #41 Posted July 27 Advertisement (gone after registration) vor 6 Minuten schrieb jaapv: St There are universal chargers that work well with any battery. Spend a small part of the 150 Euro saved on one of those. Any example? A unique "cup" that could take M11 batteries as well as Q3 batteries and others? Then a USB-C cable going from that cup to the power supply? Is that what you mean? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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FrozenInTime Posted July 27 Share #42 Posted July 27 An even better solution to the dock/charger is to integrate USB-C into the batteries. Lumix GH7 battery, USB-C charger dock, and SmallRig battery with integrated USB-C and charger. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/423192-switch-to-back-to-leica-from-canon-camera-body-advice-getting-lenses-now-though-before-more-tariffs/?do=findComment&comment=5839369'>More sharing options...
M11 for me Posted July 27 Share #43 Posted July 27 vor 3 Minuten schrieb FrozenInTime: An even better solution to the dock/charger is to integrate USB-C into the batteries. Lumix GH7 battery, USB-C charger dock, and SmallRig battery with integrated USB-C and charger. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! If I understand well that shown Lumix doc is NOT the charger. To the doc you connect a USB-C cable. The other end of that cable goes then to the charger (with its pins for the wall socket). And this one is banned in the EU. The doc (or "cup" as I called it) is battery specific. In case that the battery itself has the USB-C port would solve that problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrozenInTime Posted July 27 Share #44 Posted July 27 (edited) 27 minutes ago, M11 for me said: If I understand well that shown Lumix doc is NOT the charger. To the doc you connect a USB-C cable. The other end of that cable goes then to the charger (with its pins for the wall socket). And this one is banned in the EU. The doc (or "cup" as I called it) is battery specific. In case that the battery itself has the USB-C port would solve that problem. Here we have the root of many misunderstandings due to incorrect use of terminology. A charger is a device that connects directly to the battery terminals. It delivers a controlled voltage and current charging profile specific to a battery's chemistry. A power supply typically delivers a constant voltage with current limit. AC from the wall socket to e.g. 5V DC ( USB-C spec also allow negotiated 9V,12V and others ). This is the universal standard that allows interoperability between many forms of devices. i.e. the USB-C wall wart is not a charger, but is a power supply, that in this class outputs to a common interface standard. It has limited knowledge of the attached device power requirements, but no knowledge of battery type or chemistry. Older systems e.g. you car 12v lead acid battery were often charged with specific chargers that directly supplied the appropriate charge curve e.g. constant voltage, limited current. In the case of NiMH AA batteries that would be a constant current supply. The Li-ion charge routine is constant voltage, limited current. Voltages depend on battery type, and number of cells. Those dangerous li-ion e-scooters may not include onboard battery management, regulation, or charge controllers, so here the cheap AC to battery charger interfaces directly to the battery. Edited July 27 by FrozenInTime 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 27 Share #45 Posted July 27 58 minutes ago, M11 for me said: Any example? A unique "cup" that could take M11 batteries as well as Q3 batteries and others? Then a USB-C cable going from that cup to the power supply? Is that what you mean? I have the predecessor of this one. I always have it as a backup when traveling. Charges anything from my Sony NEX7 to my SL cameras, except the DMR. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/423192-switch-to-back-to-leica-from-canon-camera-body-advice-getting-lenses-now-though-before-more-tariffs/?do=findComment&comment=5839399'>More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 27 Share #46 Posted July 27 There are more on the Internet, just Google. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M11 for me Posted July 27 Share #47 Posted July 27 Advertisement (gone after registration) vor 8 Minuten schrieb jaapv: I have the predecessor of this one. I always have it as a backup when traveling. Charges anything from my Sony NEX7 to my SL cameras, except the DMR. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Thank you for that. Looks easy and great. Will check. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M11 for me Posted July 27 Share #48 Posted July 27 vor 7 Minuten schrieb jaapv: There are more on the Internet, just Google. Thanks for that. Do you say that your Jupio unit could charge batteries from Q3 or M11 or SL or others? Is that what it is for? That would be great indeed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M11 for me Posted July 27 Share #49 Posted July 27 vor 26 Minuten schrieb FrozenInTime: Here we have the root of many misunderstandings due to incorrect use of terminology. A charger is a device that connects directly to the battery terminals. It delivers a controlled voltage and current charging profile specific to a battery's chemistry. A power supply typically delivers a constant voltage with current limit. AC from the wall socket to e.g. 5V DC ( USB-C spec also allow negotiated 9V,12V and others ). This is the universal standard that allows interoperability between many forms of devices. i.e. the USB-C wall wart is not a charger, but is a power supply, that in this class outputs to a common interface standard. It has limited knowledge of the attached device power requirements, but no knowledge of battery type or chemistry. Older systems e.g. you car 12v lead acid battery were often charged with specific chargers that directly supplied the appropriate charge curve e.g. constant voltage, limited current. In the case of NiMH AA batteries that would be a constant current supply. The Li-ion charge routine is constant voltage, limited current. Voltages depend on battery type, and number of cells. Those dangerous li-ion e-scooters may not include onboard battery management, regulation, or charge controllers, so here the cheap AC to battery charger interfaces directly to the battery. Great. Thank you. I never read this so clearly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 27 Share #50 Posted July 27 26 minutes ago, M11 for me said: Thanks for that. Do you say that your Jupio unit could charge batteries from Q3 or M11 or SL or others? Is that what it is for? That would be great indeed. That is what it is for. I am sure it would, but not owning all these cameras I cannot guarantee,except the SL which works, the predecessor of this one. I loaned it to somebody during travel who had lost his Nikon charger and it worked just fine. BTW these universal chargers have battery recognition software regulating voltage, polarity, charging curve, etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M11 for me Posted July 27 Share #51 Posted July 27 vor 14 Minuten schrieb jaapv: That is what it is for. I am sure it would, but not owning all these cameras I cannot guarantee,except the SL which works, the predecessor of this one. I loaned it to somebody during travel who had lost his Nikon charger and it worked just fine. BTW these universal chargers have battery recognition software regulating voltage, polarity, charging curve, etc. That sound really grand. Thank you for that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M11 for me Posted July 27 Share #52 Posted July 27 (edited) vor 2 Stunden schrieb FrozenInTime: An even better solution to the dock/charger is to integrate USB-C into the batteries. Lumix GH7 battery, USB-C charger dock, and SmallRig battery with integrated USB-C and charger. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! May I come back to this @FrozenInTime: I read the EU fact sheet (posted by @jaapv) and everywhere in there (incl. pictograms) the item to plug into the wall and that you call power supply they call charger !! And this is the item which has now to be equiped for attaching a USB-C cable and is not part of camera packiging any more. On your Lumix setup above the black Lumix cube on the right hand side is the charger in your terminology. So there is a contradiction here. Sorry to be stuborn. But I see a chance to understand it once for ever 🤔 Edited July 27 by M11 for me 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrozenInTime Posted July 27 Share #53 Posted July 27 (edited) 13 minutes ago, M11 for me said: May I come back to this @FrozenInTime: I read the EU fact sheet (posted by @jaapv) and everywhere in there (incl. pictograms) the item to plug into the wall and that you call power supply they call charger !! And this is the item which has now to be equiped for attaching a USB-C cable and that is not part of camera packiging any more. On your Lumix setup above the black Lumix cube on the right hand side is the charger in your terminology. So there is a contradiction here. Sorry to be stuborn. But I see a chance to understand it once for ever 🤔 They are inaccurate using that terminology ! e.g. Apple has "power adapter" on their AC to USB-C supplies Example of a charger https://www.analog.com/en/products/max77787.html Edited July 27 by FrozenInTime 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M11 for me Posted July 27 Share #54 Posted July 27 vor 11 Minuten schrieb FrozenInTime: They are inaccurate using that terminology ! e.g. Apple has "power adapter" on their AC to USB-C supplies Example of a charger https://www.analog.com/en/products/max77787.html Thank you. And finally: In the EU the power supply (your terminology) is banned whereas the charger is not affected . . But if that were true then Leica could still add the cube to put the battery in (charger) to the camera box without violating the EU regulation. Maybe charger plus power supply are both banned . . . Indeed, I must say that I have no need for more power supplies as from Apple I have boxes full of those (even with USB-A or recently with USB-C). 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwidad Posted July 28 Share #55 Posted July 28 (edited) On 7/27/2025 at 4:57 AM, FrozenInTime said: There is a clear difference between a battery dock, aka the charger, ( 5V- 12V DC USB-C powered ) and an AC to DC power supply ( with 90-250V AC input and a 5V-12V DC USB-C PD output ) . The AC to DC power supply is common to many items, here EU regs help us; the dock is unique to each battery geometry. Regulations like this nothing but blowing smoke up an effort to be in charge of something that has no need of regulation. It's how government justify existence and the EU is the worst at trying to implant itself everywhere with regulations! When the govt adds their 2 cents it add $20 to the cost to make! Edited July 28 by kiwidad 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spersky Posted July 29 Author Share #56 Posted July 29 15% Tariffs with the USA and EU now on August 1st. I have my kit now, but I wonder if prices going up again August 1st. I have the M11-P Safari and 3 lenses. the 28 Cron, 50 lux, 90mm apo Cron. I should be set. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derbyshire Man Posted July 30 Share #57 Posted July 30 On 7/28/2025 at 1:56 PM, kiwidad said: Regulations like this nothing but blowing smoke up an effort to be in charge of something that has no need of regulation. It's how government justify existence and the EU is the worst at trying to implant itself everywhere with regulations! When the govt adds their 2 cents it add $20 to the cost to make! Are you in Europe? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwidad Posted July 30 Share #58 Posted July 30 1 hour ago, Derbyshire Man said: Are you in Europe? Thank god no! I am guessing you're in the UK from your posting name so you either love or hate the UK leaving the EU! I think it's great! now the UK could just roll back its laws 50 years and enforce them life would be good! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M11 for me Posted July 30 Share #59 Posted July 30 Am 28.7.2025 um 14:56 schrieb kiwidad: Regulations like this nothing but blowing smoke up an effort to be in charge of something that has no need of regulation. It's how government justify existence and the EU is the worst at trying to implant itself everywhere with regulations! When the govt adds their 2 cents it add $20 to the cost to make! I do not quite agree. Thanks to that Apple changed from Lightening to USB-C. This is just one example. One cable for everything is a great advantage after all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwidad Posted July 31 Share #60 Posted July 31 12 hours ago, M11 for me said: I do not quite agree. Thanks to that Apple changed from Lightening to USB-C. This is just one example. One cable for everything is a great advantage after all. Perhaps but now I have to purchase more new cables at all the location I charge my phone at so whilst if you have other devices using c connectors it’s convenient for you , for me I had to replace cables everywhere. Did you notice apple have abandoned usb-c for charging in all their laptops? Outside of the actual products the EU demand that companies who export to the EU comply with EU employment policy and all the documentation that goes with that and more. It generated a blood sucking compliant industry which does nothing but raise the product costs to those who do not live in the EU and this specifically is why i dislike the band of thieves called the EU leadership. It goes further than the products itself! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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