3D-Kraft.com Posted June 15 Share #21 Posted June 15 Advertisement (gone after registration) For longer hikes, I try to keep the strain on my shoulders as low as possible. My solution are hip bags like those from Cosyspeed: https://www.cosyspeed.com/pages/hip-bags Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LocalHero1953 Posted June 15 Share #22 Posted June 15 13 hours ago, M8X2 said: Thanks for the good suggestions, everyone. I like the idea of using a hiking-first backpack together with an insert or a belt attachment. Paul, I have a Dyota which is really cool but not great for hiking in terms of ergonomics and access. What are the ergonomic issues you have with your Dyota, and what are your access requirements? 'Ergonomics' and 'access' cover a wide range of matters, and you might get better answers if you give more detail. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M8X2 Posted June 15 Author Share #23 Posted June 15 I have three main issues with the Dyota as a hiking backpack: 1. It doesn't come with a hip belt which makes it less comfortable for hikes compared to, for example, my trusted Deuter Trans Alpine. 2. The padding does not allow for air flow. I start sweating after 15 mins even under light conditions. 3. It doesn't have any exterior storage for water bottles or the like. Otherwise, it's a really cool looking BP for inner city use shopping and such, just not for hiking. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted June 15 Share #24 Posted June 15 (edited) 27 minutes ago, M8X2 said: I have three main issues with the Dyota as a hiking backpack: 1. It doesn't come with a hip belt which makes it less comfortable for hikes compared to, for example, my trusted Deuter Trans Alpine. 2. The padding does not allow for air flow. I start sweating after 15 mins even under light conditions. 3. It doesn't have any exterior storage for water bottles or the like. Otherwise, it's a really cool looking BP for inner city use shopping and such, just not for hiking. Thanks. The Loka has 1 and 3. I can understand 2, though most of the places I walk are cool enough that it doesn't bother me. I had a Deuter backpack with a sprung frame to keep the inner surface away from my back. It was very comfortable, but the frame limited the shape of things I could easily squeeze into it. Banana-shaped was best. An expected benefit of having the pack close up against my back was better balance, especially on steep slopes or scrambles. Edited June 15 by LocalHero1953 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M8X2 Posted June 15 Author Share #25 Posted June 15 I had one of the mesh ones, too, and I agree with you 100 %. I'm going to be carrying the gear for my wife, my daughter, and I during day trips, so I need something really ergonomic. I will now separate the issues, get a good hiking BP, and look for an additional comfy hip/sling bag like Peak or Wandrd. Just not sure about the size. 6 l seems plenty for an M and a second lens, 3 l might be a bit tight with a Voigt 21 Ultron and a 35 Summarit? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakontil Posted June 16 Share #26 Posted June 16 I use goruck bullet backpack and got the camera inserts within most comfortable backpack Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einst_Stein Posted June 16 Share #27 Posted June 16 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) I just finished walking El Camino. My most preferred solution, from now on will be the only solution, is camera click. Any camera click, either click on backpack strap or waist belt. I keep the extra lenses in tha bag, any bag or backpack. I will try to limit at most one standby lens. In fact, I used zoom, so there was only one lens. For M, it's your call which standby lens. If I were walking with M, I would leave extra lenses in the backpack, only the one standby lens in the waist belt bag. Edited June 16 by Einst_Stein Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NigelG Posted June 16 Share #28 Posted June 16 I use a small Lowe Alpine 18 daypack. https://lowealpine.com/uk/lowe-alpine-edge-18-aw20?queryID=f416ee2b2ed0d860447f09f3caed8d3f&objectID=14347&indexName=rab_live_lowe_uk_products Super comfortable with a ventilated back,chest strap and waist strap and it’s designed for an osprey water system (I use the 1.5ltr but it will take a 2 ltr. I think) Mine’s the previous version that holds your walking poles on the front rather than the side. Camera crossbody and a lens in one of the mesh external pockets either bare or in a neoprene pouch if the weather looks iffy. If you’ve got decent arm flexibility you can reach the second lens without removing the pack. Have used it everywhere from snow/ice to desert. Will be using it in the Dolomites next week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted June 16 Share #29 Posted June 16 If Lowepro charged five times what they do for backpacks and bags they would get a lot more attention. I have a Lowepro backpack for carrying camera kit around town on a bike. It is so well padded that if I fell off I doubt the contents would come to harm. And they appear to be extremely tough - my previous one lasted years of abuse before one of the straps started to come adrift at the shoulder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einst_Stein Posted June 16 Share #30 Posted June 16 (edited) Just for your reference, this is my experiences and the most recent conclusion. If hiking or walking travel is the main purpose, I would not take any camera backpack, regardless the brand name, especially for M with a couple of lenses. The camera gears would be my secondary consideration. The primary consideration would be the clothes, food, etc. I would use the most suitable backpack for the hiking session or the walking tour. I would then use a bag, any bag without thick paddding of the size just enough to fit the camera gears and put them in the backpack. I would add the camera click-snap to attach on backpack strap or waist belt for easy access to the camera. If I really want an easy access standby lens, I would use the wait belt pouch to hold it, but I would do my best to avoid it. For travel or hiking, depends on my mood and the understanding of the location, a 35mm or 28mm prime would work over 90% of the time. However, practically, for outdoors, I almost always use a zoom that covers 28-75mm. For indoors, such as museum, cathedral, palace, etc. I might use super wide angle zoom such as 11-23mm APS-C. I have not yet used 16-35mm FF zoom yet. Too big. Just came back from Walking EL Camino. After examine the pictures, for next such long walk, I would be much more selective on the lens. I would take only standard zoom, likely M with R35-70mm or MATE (28-35-50). I have SL, but 24-90mm seems too heavy. I will consider if Lumix 24-105mm fits better. Edited June 16 by Einst_Stein 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douglas Conant Posted June 18 Share #31 Posted June 18 Of course, this is a matter of personal taste and fit, but I have a Peak Design Everyday Backpack and have been quite happy with it, ergonomically and in terms of their divider system, which can be configured multiple ways. I have used it with a micro four thirds camera system, which is also smaller than many other systems, but here we have something in common with Leica M system, being small and compact. I also have at least one Peak Design Capture Clip, by which you can a fix your camera to one of your backpack straps or to your belt and grab it for a shot via a quick release mechanism. I have other types of Peak Design products and have been very happy with their user-friendly design and durability. They back their products up well too. Best of luck. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einst_Stein Posted June 18 Share #32 Posted June 18 1 hour ago, Douglas Conant said: Of course, this is a matter of personal taste and fit, but I have a Peak Design Everyday Backpack and have been quite happy with it, ergonomically and in terms of their divider system, which can be configured multiple ways. I have used it with a micro four thirds camera system, which is also smaller than many other systems, but here we have something in common with Leica M system, being small and compact. I also have at least one Peak Design Capture Clip, by which you can a fix your camera to one of your backpack straps or to your belt and grab it for a shot via a quick release mechanism. I have other types of Peak Design products and have been very happy with their user-friendly design and durability. They back their products up well too. Best of luck. None of camera backpack works well for "real" hiking or travel. They are just not comfortable for carrying the necessary hiking or travel stuffs, not to mention the expensive price. They are for carrying camera gears only, maybe a little light rain coat and food. I recommend to all my friends, go to hiking stores such as REI, try out the good hiking backpacks that fits best for the duration and capacity of the hiking or trip, then get a proper camera protection that can fit into the backpack. The camera protection should be good to protect all camera gears for the trip. This is for transporting such as taking the flight or train, etc. Besides that, also get the proper clicksnaps. For larger camera, clock to the backpack strap, for smaller camera, click to the waist belt. This is for quick access when need to take pictures. I would also consult the assistant in REI with my camera gears. Usually they could see the potential problems that I myself might not be aware. I don't have good experiences consulting camera bag stores. It's different expertise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted June 18 Share #33 Posted June 18 21 minutes ago, Einst_Stein said: None of camera backpack works well for "real" hiking or travel. They are just not comfortable for carrying the necessary hiking or travel stuffs, not to mention the expensive price. They are for carrying camera gears only, maybe a little light rain coat and food. I have to disagree with 'none', having used my fstop Loka on a number of long distance (multi-day) walks. Which backpacks did you try that didn't work? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einst_Stein Posted June 18 Share #34 Posted June 18 (edited) 22 minutes ago, LocalHero1953 said: I have to disagree with 'none', having used my fstop Loka on a number of long distance (multi-day) walks. Which backpacks did you try that didn't work? I had many many online praised camera backpacks, can't remembner how many. I have also tried every high end camera backpack in the local camera bag stores. To me, tripods and camera backpacks are the items that never get right. Have you compared with a real hiking backpack with camera protection insert? with clicksnap to complement for easy access. If not yet, you should try it becore come back here. Edited June 18 by Einst_Stein Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos cruz Posted June 18 Share #35 Posted June 18 It all depends how much gear you need to carry. Loka bag to me looks like typical backpack from the outside but once I’ve seen the insert it looks like camera bag full of dividers, if you need to carry selection of lenses, cameras it’s probably ok, but for person who has to convince him/herself for days to pack one extra lens doesn’t look practical. On professional occasions in rough terrain I’d rather do recce first and there decide which lenses I’ll use and pack absolute minimum, maybe with a small extra just to be on the safe side, this bare minimum usually is enough to share among four people with big padded camera backpacks, but hiking on my time off I rarely pack extra lens apart form one I have on camera. It all depends on situation and personal preference. There’s no perfect camera, lens or camera bag or strap and trying to convince someone to change his ways is a job of marketing depts, let’s not take their jobs away. I promise not to give judgemental looks to fully loaded hikers when they finally arrive to the bothy/réfugio or bar. To each their own. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted June 18 Share #36 Posted June 18 3 hours ago, Einst_Stein said: I had many many online praised camera backpacks, can't remembner how many. I have also tried every high end camera backpack in the local camera bag stores. To me, tripods and camera backpacks are the items that never get right. Have you compared with a real hiking backpack with camera protection insert? with clicksnap to complement for easy access. If not yet, you should try it becore come back here. No need for that passive aggression. I respect your opinion, and perhaps you could respect the opinions of those who have solved the same problems as you, but in a different way. What works for you may not work for others - and vice versa. In answer to your question: yes. I have never heard of clicksnap though, but if it works for you that's good, and I hope it works for others who have a problem that it solves. I have my own ways of easy access to camera kit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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