IkarusJohn Posted June 21 Share #81 Posted June 21 Advertisement (gone after registration) Sounds like a plan, Olaf. Good luck. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Olaf_ZG Posted June 21 Author Share #82 Posted June 21 19 hours ago, IkarusJohn said: Sounds like a plan, Olaf. Good luck. Except for the fact that I am still doubting about a x1d or 907, the latter just being available secondhand at my leica dealer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted June 21 Share #83 Posted June 21 1 hour ago, Olaf_ZG said: Except for the fact that I am still doubting about a x1d or 907, the latter just being available secondhand at my leica dealer. Interesting conundrum … of course, the 907x is nothing like the X1D or the X2D. I loved the look of the X1D when it was released (I had had a 503cx and a number of lenses and was very fond of that system). But, I canceled my order after reading the experiences of others. The X1D II seemed to resolve the issues, and I bought it. Loved it, but it didn’t work for me so sold the lot with great disappointment (including, stupidly in retrospect, all my X mount lenses). Then I stuck my toe back in the water with the X2D, and am very happy so far. I suspect you’re going to find the X2D in your future, so the 907x just could be a sensible option as, if it is well priced, it would be something you keep once (if) you move on to the X2D. I say this without having used the 907 … 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted June 21 Share #84 Posted June 21 907 is not weather sealed, if your long exposures are subject to weather, waves, etc. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlashGordonPhotography Posted June 21 Share #85 Posted June 21 I am HB’s no1 fanboy. But for vertical shooting on a tripod, it’s not my first choice. You could use an iPhone (not android) and a hot shoe mount but that’s a faff. In this case I’d get the GFX100Sii. The menus suck but in all other aspects it’s the right choice. It has a vertical flip screen. Its long exposures are spectacular. 65x24 is available. And the Fuji colour science is fine plus the GFX doesn’t have Xtrans so less issues there as well. There’s a few popping up on the used market and lenses are readily available. Mainly though you have the lenses you need that all are fast enough to do the job. I LOVE the Hasselblad 80mm but the AF is not up to the task of even a slowly moving model. You’d need your models to move and hold. The GFX 80mm is as goos as the ‘blad and has reasonable AF. Same with the just excellent 55. The 110 is more tricky to nail but when it does. I didn’t like the original GFX100 cameras at all. Nor the 50 series. But I do like the new ones. The 100ii is just excellent but since this is an extra system the 100Sii makes more sense. The menus still are as bad as they get but once set up the actual cameras are just fine. It is actually possible to have only the GFX system for 98% of your shooting, including longer *wildlife* lenses, or a tiny compact zoom (35-70) for travel and casual shooting. My X2D’s are and will remain my primary system. But I have also actually enjoyed the newer GFX cameras. I have a trip upcoming where I plan to take my Q3’s and a GFX kit and leave the SL3’s and ‘blades at home. Gordon 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olaf_ZG Posted June 22 Author Share #86 Posted June 22 I took a look at the Fuji mentioned by @FlashGordonPhotography. For sure the best specs. But, I came from the GFX, it is a working horse. But I don’t do professional photography anymore, nor have the intention. For me, making the image is maybe even more important than the image itself. I settled down with a nice set of m9(m) plus some lenses to enjoy the m-experience. I will keep the SL2 plus SL lux for portraits, the 24-90 for whatever I need to cover, and the pano 100mm to photograph the garden. The rest from the SL s on its way out, as well as the Q. The Q is great, but it will be rarely used, cause I have too much. That said, for long exposure I just made an offer for a 907 plus two lenses. I know @Jeff Sit isn’t weather proof, but the way it handles outways this… will keep you informed, but happy to remain in the SL system for now. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olaf_ZG Posted June 23 Author Share #87 Posted June 23 Advertisement (gone after registration) Q has been sold. My offer for the 907 has been declined. Meanwhile I managed to have a real life look at a x2d. It felt great, the lenses are of ok size (in comparison with Fuji). Going on a trip on friday, so it doesn’t make sense to buy anything now so I have some time to reflect. The x2d has too many mp, the 907 aint weather proof, the x1d doesn’t have a tilting screen. The fuji gfx50s ii has it all, except may be for the colour science and the smooth interface for long exposure… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 23 Share #88 Posted June 23 “Colour science” is a bit of a red herring. Just apply the LUT of your choice in Photoshop. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted June 23 Share #89 Posted June 23 18 minutes ago, jaapv said: “Colour science” is a bit of a red herring. Which shade of red? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olaf_ZG Posted June 23 Author Share #90 Posted June 23 20 minutes ago, jaapv said: “Colour science” is a bit of a red herring. Just apply the LUT of your choice in Photoshop. Is it? I know we can most do in post, but I would like to be my post minimal. So, if a camera produces the colour I like consistently, I am very happy. The colour I get - with a lut - from my SL for portraits is great (to me), but the same lut won’t work on other kinds of shots. I want to start with the best base I can get, especially with long exposures. Fuji is good, but still I believe HB has a better starting point for long exposure. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzajl Posted June 23 Share #91 Posted June 23 (edited) 2 hours ago, Olaf_ZG said: The fuji gfx50s ii has it all, except may be for the colour science and the smooth interface for long exposure… I really think you'd be very very happy with the colours from the 50sii. It's an incredible camera, handles beautifully and is my personal fave from the GFX lineup when judging on the look of the files. I don't think that you'd enjoy it though. Obviously you'd need one in hand to truly know but going on the cameras you've said you like, your shots and the way you describe shooting them, I think you might find it too clinical. Edited June 23 by Dazzajl Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgh Posted June 23 Share #92 Posted June 23 3 hours ago, Olaf_ZG said: Is it? I know we can most do in post, but I would like to be my post minimal. So, if a camera produces the colour I like consistently, I am very happy. The colour I get - with a lut - from my SL for portraits is great (to me), but the same lut won’t work on other kinds of shots. I want to start with the best base I can get, especially with long exposures. Fuji is good, but still I believe HB has a better starting point for long exposure. If you want minimal editing and good color HNCS really is better than anything else you can get out of camera. FWIW I actually prefer the 50mp sensor over the 100, but they’re both amazing. I sold my 50 mp (907x) because in every other way the X2D was just so much better, but yea - great files either way. I’m not a color expert but I know enough to know that it’s way easier and faster to get that color than with Fuji’s files, which are totally fine by the way. Just not Hassy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 24 Share #93 Posted June 24 6 hours ago, Olaf_ZG said: Is it? I know we can most do in post, but I would like to be my post minimal. So, if a camera produces the colour I like consistently, I am very happy. The colour I get - with a lut - from my SL for portraits is great (to me), but the same lut won’t work on other kinds of shots. I want to start with the best base I can get, especially with long exposures. Fuji is good, but still I believe HB has a better starting point for long exposure. Of course we want to do as little post as possible, I agree, and that is the reason that I switched to the use of LUTs in Photoshop over more elaborate colour correction. It gives me more control over colour and is basically a three-click process I plan to set up an action to streamline a bit more. Decent import profiles and a few favourite LUTs -standard, downloaded or homemade- saves time and effort for BTW PS has a few Fuji-based LUTs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted June 24 Share #94 Posted June 24 3 hours ago, jaapv said: Of course we want to do as little post as possible, I agree, and that is the reason that I switched to the use of LUTs in Photoshop over more elaborate colour correction. It gives me more control over colour and is basically a three-click process I plan to set up an action to streamline a bit more. Decent import profiles and a few favourite LUTs -standard, downloaded or homemade- saves time and effort for BTW PS has a few Fuji-based LUTs This would be so much more interesting if I knew what “LUTs” were. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald M Posted June 24 Share #95 Posted June 24 My starting point with every camera, even my iPhone, is a Cobalt image profile. I like the Cobalt standard profile, but there are also e.g. neutral and colour profiles. They have profiles for many cameras and colour emulations of slide and negative films. For Lightroom and Capture One. No, I don’t have interests in this company, but I do really like their products. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 24 Share #96 Posted June 24 2 hours ago, IkarusJohn said: This would be so much more interesting if I knew what “LUTs” were. Look Up Table https://retouchinglabs.com/how-to-use-luts-in-photoshop/ 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 24 Share #97 Posted June 24 55 minutes ago, Donald M said: My starting point with every camera, even my iPhone, is a Cobalt image profile. I like the Cobalt standard profile, but there are also e.g. neutral and colour profiles. They have profiles for many cameras and colour emulations of slide and negative films. For Lightroom and Capture One. No, I don’t have interests in this company, but I do really like their products. That is something quite different from colour grading. A profile is not a LUT. A profile is used to convert your DNG. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted June 24 Share #98 Posted June 24 9 hours ago, jaapv said: Of course we want to do as little post as possible, I agree, and that is the reason that I switched to the use of LUTs in Photoshop over more elaborate colour correction. It gives me more control over colour and is basically a three-click process I plan to set up an action to streamline a bit more. Decent import profiles and a few favourite LUTs -standard, downloaded or homemade- saves time and effort for BTW PS has a few Fuji-based LUTs The Hasselblad colour system is very good, Jaap, and once used, it is not so easily given up, despite the availability of LUTs (which is video terminology really, not sure I like to see it bleeding into the world of still photography). 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted June 24 Share #99 Posted June 24 2 hours ago, jaapv said: That is something quite different from colour grading. A profile is not a LUT. A profile is used to convert your DNG. Just semantics really. LUTs and profiles just convert one set of numbers into another set of numbers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 24 Share #100 Posted June 24 13 minutes ago, wattsy said: The Hasselblad colour system is very good, Jaap, and once used, it is not so easily given up, despite the availability of LUTs (which is video terminology really, not sure I like to see it bleeding into the world of still photography). It has been available for stills in Photoshop for a long, long time. Leica used a LUT to create 12 bit Kodak colours in the M8 on DNG level. LFI had a long article on it in 2006. Nothing against Hasselblad - they are as reputable as Leica. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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