M11's photo number

[kyono]

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I have been using LEICA Q, CL, M11 so far.

In the case of Q and CL, when the photo number is L1009999, the next photo is saved in the 101LEICA folder as L1010001.

However, in the case of M11, the photo after L1009999 is saved in the 101LEICA folder, but the photo number is L1000001.

When saved like this, there is a problem of L1000001 being duplicated. Is this a problem that only occurs in my M11?

My M11 firmware is 2.1.6. I have not updated it yet because I do not want to take the risk of updating the firmware to the latest version on a camera that cannot be downgraded.

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After initializing the camera, change the photo number of the newly taken photo (L1000001) to L1009999 and then take the second photo, the photo L1000001 will be saved in the 101LEICA folder. 

Edited April 1 by kyono

[Photoworks]

Are you trying to trick the camera?

My numbers never repeat; they get renamed on ingest to something meaningful so that I can search for it.

[adan]

On 4/1/2025 at 12:59 AM, kyono said:

However, in the case of M11, the photo after L1009999 is saved in the 101LEICA folder, but the photo number is L1000001.

When saved like this, there is a problem of L1000001 being duplicated. Is this a problem that only occurs in my M11?

The camera's menu should have the user-option to reset or increment the first three digits - i.e. the "L100........" part - separately.

Menu (near bottom) > Image Numbering > Change Filename > virtual keyboard to enter new letters or digits > save change.

My M10s also work about like that - and after 8 years using M10s, I am now up to images numbered L117xxxx on one body, and L116xxxx on the other (I leapfrog them to further avoid any duplicate numbers even with two or more cameras in use.)

All described in that thing called the "M11 Instruction Manual." Pages 81-82.

https://leica-camera.com/sites/default/files/pm-73222-Leica-M11_Instructions_en.pdf

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EDIT - a warning, however. If you use multiple SD cards in a given camera, or between cameras, you need to format them ALL to contain no images when you "roll over" from 9999 to 0000. And in the case of the M11, probably the internal memory as well.

Before you do the numbering reset.

Otherwise, the camera will be "contaminated" by the last four digits of the most recent picture number already on the card (or internal storage).

All too easy to reset the numbers perfectly, and as soon as a different SD card is used, the nice fresh "L1020001" you just set may jump to, say, "L1029934." And you have to start all over again.

That's Leica's way of automatically avoiding duplicate numbers in the final 4 digits.

Edited April 2 by adan

[kyono]

On 2025. 4. 3. at 오전 2시 57분, adan said:

카메라 메뉴에는 처음 세 자리 숫자(예: "L100........" 부분)를 재설정하거나 증가시킬 수 있는 사용자 옵션이 별도로 있어야 합니다.

메뉴(하단) > 이미지 번호 매기기 > 파일 이름 변경 > 새 문자나 숫자 입력을 위한 가상 키보드 > 변경 사항 저장.

저의 M10도 대략 이런 식으로 작동합니다. M10을 8년 동안 사용한 끝에, 이제 한 카메라에서는 L117xxxx, 다른 카메라에서는 L116xxxx라는 이미지 번호를 얻었습니다(두 대 이상의 카메라를 사용하더라도 중복 번호를 피하기 위해 번호를 앞지릅니다).

"M11 사용 설명서"라고 불리는 것에 모두 설명되어 있습니다. 81-82페이지.

https://leica-camera.com/sites/default/files/pm-73222-Leica-M11_Instructions_en.pdf

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편집 - 하지만 경고합니다. 주어진 카메라나 카메라 간에 여러 개의 SD 카드를 사용하는 경우 9999에서 0000으로 "롤오버"할 때 이미지가 포함되지 않도록 모든 카드를 포맷해야 합니다. 그리고 M11의 경우 내장 메모리도 마찬가지일 것입니다.

번호를 매기기 전에 재설정하세요.

그렇지 않으면 카메라는 이미 카드(또는 내부 저장 장치)에 저장된 가장 최근의 사진 번호의 마지막 4자리로 인해 "오염"됩니다.

숫자를 완벽하게 재설정하는 것은 너무나 쉬운 일이며, 다른 SD 카드를 사용하자마자 방금 설정한 멋진 새 "L1020001"이 "L1029934"로 넘어갈 수 있습니다. 그리고 다시 처음부터 시작해야 합니다.

이는 마지막 4자리에서 중복된 숫자가 자동으로 나타나지 않도록 하는 라이카의 방식입니다.

Of course, I also know that the image numbering is like this.

Leica Q, Q-P, Q3, CL are all saved in the format of 100LEICA→L1000001-L1009999, 101LEICA→L1010001-L1019999. (I have never used Leica SL, so I could not check.)

Absurdly, it is saved in the format of 100LEICA→L1000001-L1009999, 101LEICA→L1000001-L1009999 on M11, and it is the same for not only my camera but also the latest firmware M11-P of the store.

Of course, even if you initialize the camera and proceed, the image numbering is saved as above regardless of the firmware version or interface language.

As someone who backs up photos to external storage and manages them all with Lightroom, duplicate photo numbers are annoying and absurd.

You told me that there is no such problem with the M10, but I think it is strange that only the M11 series cameras save with this image numbering.

 

On 4/3/2025 at 2:25 AM, Photoworks said:

Are you trying to trick the camera?

My numbers never repeat; they get renamed on ingest to something meaningful so that I can search for it.

Would you recommend simply taking 10,000 shots and running the shutter box through this test?

Of course, the same results were obtained by actually taking 10,000 shots with an electronic shutter and checking the image numbering.

The argument of this topic is why there is a difference between the image numbering of the Leica Q, Q-P, Q3, CL, M10 and the image numbering of the M11(of course, you can argue that the difference is not a problem).

[lct]

On 4/4/2025 at 1:27 PM, kyono said:

[...] it is saved in the format of 100LEICA→L1000001-L1009999, 101LEICA→L1000001-L1009999 on M11 [...]

Did you try the following?
Main menu page 4, Camera Settings > Edit File Name: enter L11
If your last pic was L1009999, the next one should be L1100001 i guess.
I don't remember what i did myself so it is just a guess sorry.

[Photoworks]

The M11 is running a different software than M10, Q's and SL's

If it is a bug, you can report it to Leica.

But I will update it to the latest version to see if it has already been fixed.

in any case you have been asked to reset the camera after updating, and the numbers will start fresh.

 

[Velo-city]

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On 4/5/2025 at 5:29 PM, Photoworks said:

If it is a bug, you can report it to Leica.

Then check back in around 2029 to see if they bothered to fix it.