marknorton Posted August 30, 2006 Share #41 Posted August 30, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) I can scarcely contain my excitement... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted August 30, 2006 Posted August 30, 2006 Hi marknorton, Take a look here Digilux 3 = budget M body?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
lct Posted August 30, 2006 Share #42 Posted August 30, 2006 Yes, but it is a SA mount which is a Sigma only mount. Not much for R lenses. Not a 4/3 then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertwang Posted August 30, 2006 Author Share #43 Posted August 30, 2006 I doubt it... but then again, if it is 4/3 that would be quite revolutionary perhaps? Best to check the Sigma SLR forum on dpreview.com for the latest scoop! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Ross Posted August 30, 2006 Share #44 Posted August 30, 2006 I tested the E1 once only but i found it *much* softer than my D70, even with the 'kit lens' of the latter on...Softer than my R-D1 as well, the AA filter of which being rather strong though... Perhaps i've used a poor body... The E-1 is a body set up for and by pros that would publish through the pre-press process and sharpening set at 0 is soft. For general use by hobby photogs setting the sharpness to +2 or +3 returned the sharpness to D70 levels. Developing in RAW at those setting or doing other sharpening routines produces good sharpness. The image files of the E-1 have a lot of data depth.. I suspect the AA filter is a bit strong, but recovery of detail is very good. The images from the consumer E-300 & E-330 approach sharpness in a different way. Oly didn't clearly explain their approach to the E-1, but it was aimed at the pro market that didn't want to do a lot of post processing. It has become a favorite of the portrait mills and cruise ship snappers. The E-1 body approximates the size and weight of the Nikon F2....another pro photog influence? Bob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbstitt Posted August 31, 2006 Share #45 Posted August 31, 2006 LEICA IS ABOUT TO REALLY SCREW UP! All they needed to do to update the D2 was: Increase the sensor to 4/3rds Use a 4/3 lens mount (maybe use the same lens as on the L1. The camera would then be macro and telephoto capable with 4/3rds lenses.) Put in a better EVF - not a problem for me with the old one but it could be better. Better build quality Put in a better buffer. Make the chip IR sensitive like the DMR is. Low light IR focusing beam. THAT WAS ALL THEY NEEDED TO DO!!! l love my D2 but it does have limitations. They started a fantastic concept that could have been refined and improved. What if they would have changed after the IIIG or M3. Geeeees! They had the first step of a really great camera and they are walking away from it. Get back to the tradition of continuous improvement on a great concept. What I described would have been my dream camera. Oh well, maybe the Asians will realize what has happened and someone will come out with it. John Stitt Slide 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntmare Posted August 31, 2006 Share #46 Posted August 31, 2006 i think Digilux seriesis not like M series. M must be in M..^^ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted August 31, 2006 Share #47 Posted August 31, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) LEICA IS ABOUT TO REALLY SCREW UP! All they needed to do to update the D2 was: Increase the sensor to 4/3rds Use a 4/3 lens mount (maybe use the same lens as on the L1. The camera would then be macro and telephoto capable with 4/3rds lenses.) Put in a better EVF - not a problem for me with the old one but it could be better. Better build quality Put in a better buffer. Make the chip IR sensitive like the DMR is. Low light IR focusing beam. THAT WAS ALL THEY NEEDED TO DO!!! l love my D2 but it does have limitations. They started a fantastic concept that could have been refined and improved. What if they would have changed after the IIIG or M3. Geeeees! They had the first step of a really great camera and they are walking away from it. Get back to the tradition of continuous improvement on a great concept. What I described would have been my dream camera. Oh well, maybe the Asians will realize what has happened and someone will come out with it. John Stitt Slide 1 Not much left of the original if you do that... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted August 31, 2006 Share #48 Posted August 31, 2006 ...For general use by hobby photogs setting the sharpness to +2 or +3 returned the sharpness to D70 levels. Developing in RAW at those setting or doing other sharpening routines produces good sharpness... Thank you Bob but i compared raw files before and after sharpening and the D70 was always sharper. Perhaps it comes from the lens as Albert suggested, i don't know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
krabat Posted August 31, 2006 Share #49 Posted August 31, 2006 LEICA IS ABOUT TO REALLY SCREW UP!All they needed to do to update the D2 was: Increase the sensor to 4/3rds Use a 4/3 lens mount (maybe use the same lens as on the L1. The camera would then be macro and telephoto capable with 4/3rds lenses.) Put in a better EVF - not a problem for me with the old one but it could be better. Better build quality Put in a better buffer. Make the chip IR sensitive like the DMR is. Low light IR focusing beam. Completely agree. Not to forget to increase light sensitivity of the chip, this would come automatically (?) with the bigger size of the chip. And - most important - keep the "retro"-design of the camera , and the silent shutter. Regards, Peter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertwang Posted August 31, 2006 Author Share #50 Posted August 31, 2006 Silent shutter would be the breadwinner for me! I would definitely dig that. Plus introduce an electronic adapter that works with my R lenses too! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbstitt Posted August 31, 2006 Share #51 Posted August 31, 2006 Peter, The real positives of the D2 are it's design, size, lens quality, low light capability (I get good shots at f/2 and ei 400 - a little grainy but so was 400 speed film least we forget) If the L1 (D3) is what we all are thinking it will be then I think I am not at all interested. Another klunker half assed consumer camera trying to look like a professional camera. The D2 was/is a prosumer camera that professionals like, with limitations. The problem with the M8 is going to be that one still has to carry a stable of lenses. The only reason I would even consider one is if it would shoot IR. We'll just have to wait and see on that. So I will get another beer and shead a few tears into it because it looks like THE CONCEPT of the D2 might be dead. Win the lottery and never cash in the ticket! Oh well, it is just a camera and photography. John Stitt jbstittphotography.com Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
krabat Posted August 31, 2006 Share #52 Posted August 31, 2006 Peter,So I will get another beer and shead a few tears into it because it looks like THE CONCEPT of the D2 might be dead. So will I, John. It's a pity, and it is also a shame. I am sure many people would be willing to spent their money for a real DL3, however, they will not get the chance to do so.. Regarding the Panaleica L1, I agree with you, and I do not think it's a real alternative. So, let us hope that the DL2 will work as long as possible. Best regards, Peter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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