Guest stnami Posted August 29, 2006 Share #21 Posted August 29, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) the competition hots up for pana leica at this level with Sigma and the new Foveon chip http://www.sigma-sd14.com/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted August 29, 2006 Posted August 29, 2006 Hi Guest stnami, Take a look here Digilux 3 = budget M body?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
jgmb Posted August 29, 2006 Share #22 Posted August 29, 2006 I am anxiously awaiting to see Leica's version of the Four Thirds L1. It will be interesting to see if they can improve on the viewfinder. My only complaint about the Digilux 2 was the low-res EVF. That was the dealbreaker for me. I would rather have a small dim optical viewfinder than a horribly pixelated EVF anyday. However, if Leica, were to use a large bright high-definition OLED viewfinder, with 100% framing... that could be the best of all possible worlds (no need for mirror?). The other concerns I have are the buffer problem mentioned in the LL preview and the reports of plastic(!) used in the L1 lens barrel. I hope this will not be a precedent for future Leica 4/3 digital lenses! As far as color, I read a rumor that the Leica Four Thirds camera will be black or at least have it as an option. Personally, I believe all Leica cameras should be basic black with chrome as an option. But that is just me. My two cents... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/4190-digilux-3-budget-m-body/?do=findComment&comment=39741'>More sharing options...
marknorton Posted August 30, 2006 Share #23 Posted August 30, 2006 Interline sensors have a built in shutter function where the electronics strobes the chip for a period set by the selected or AE calculated shutter speed. The process is exactly analagous to exposing film. The resulting signal level from each pixel depends on the light level and exposure time. The reason why the D2 has any mechanical shutter is to cover the sensor up, not to expose it. While the captured image is being read out, the live preview has to be suspended and the sensor covered. The D2 shutter is a simple flap and when you hear it go click (not the shutter sound effect), the image has already been captured. As regards the 4/3 camera, I don't see how it can be an M camera on the cheap. People here bitch about the 1.33 crop factor on the M8, so how would it be to have a crop factor of 2 where the 35mm Summicron becomes a short telephoto and the $3500 21mm Elmarit M is just a bit wider than what we think of as a "normal" lens? Not going to happen. There's space for 4 cameras below the M8/R9/DMR, all made by Panasonic dressed up to look like Leicas and all with Leica designed (or at least containing Leica IP in their design or production/test processes) lenses made by Panasonic, with everything being done in the Far East. I think they are the new system SLR derived from the L1 and 3 P&S cameras from Panasonic's vast range - Digilux 3, D-Lux 3 and C-Lux 1/2. I'm pretty underwhelmed by the L1 though the lens may rescue it. I think the obsession with Live Preview and a conventional SLR viewfinder are unhappy bed-fellows. The L1 has also been a long time coming, at least 6 months after being shown and it's barely on the radar. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted August 30, 2006 Share #24 Posted August 30, 2006 I'm pretty underwhelmed by the L1 though the lens may rescue it. I think the obsession with Live Preview and a conventional SLR viewfinder are unhappy bed-fellows. The L1 has also been a long time coming, at least 6 months after being shown and it's barely on the radar. And I'm sure you've seen the rather poor initial review from Michael Reichmann. Okay, the Digilux 2 lacked a buffer, so the L1 has one--but you can't keep shooting while it empties? Strange 'quirk.' ("No dynamic buffering" heading at http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/Panasonic-L1.shtml) By the way, thanks for the paragraph on the use of the mechanical shutter in the Digilux 2! --HC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted August 30, 2006 Share #25 Posted August 30, 2006 Interesting review HC which I had not seen. Matches the impression I had from elsewhere that the lens rescues the camera but the camera alone has enough issues for it never to be on my shopping list. If re-badging this is going to be Leica's initial effort in the 4/3 market, I wouldn't bet on its success. What''s of particular concern from the review are the comments under "Missing LCD" because I worry whether the same idea has been applied to the M8 through over-zealous minimalism. The leaked photographs do not appear to show any way to tell the operating state of the camera at a glance which is a hall-mark of the DMR, D2x and R-D1, to name but three. Maybe they have put more information in the finder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertwang Posted August 30, 2006 Author Share #26 Posted August 30, 2006 Again, buy the lens and then slap it on the Olympus camera... that will work too! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted August 30, 2006 Share #27 Posted August 30, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) Albert, do you suggest that the Oly viewfinder is any better i.e. brighter and/or larger than that of the L1? Just curious. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertwang Posted August 30, 2006 Author Share #28 Posted August 30, 2006 Of course, the viewfinder of the E1 will beat many other viewfinders. In fact, I believe that after the R8/R9 and Nikon D200, it is the third best viewfinder! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted August 30, 2006 Share #29 Posted August 30, 2006 Ah yes i did not think of the E1. Rather soft isn't it? Strong AA filter? Bigger than the Pana L1 as well. Pity that it is so difficult to get a great compact 4/3 body. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertwang Posted August 30, 2006 Author Share #30 Posted August 30, 2006 Actually the E1 has less AA filter than Nikon, Canon, and Pentax. In fact, the images are "sharper" as the expense of noise control... plus moire isn't too bad with the E1. Of course, whereas others are shaving mirrors and banging off flanges, I'm shooting pictures! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted August 30, 2006 Share #31 Posted August 30, 2006 I tested the E1 once only but i found it *much* softer than my D70, even with the 'kit lens' of the latter on... Softer than my R-D1 as well, the AA filter of which being rather strong though... Perhaps i've used a poor body... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertwang Posted August 30, 2006 Author Share #32 Posted August 30, 2006 Softer? I think the settings have a lot to do with it... if you shoot RAW, the images are awesome... Of course, it depends on the lens that you shoot with too! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted August 30, 2006 Share #33 Posted August 30, 2006 Yes quite soft indeed. Raw of course. Was a Oly 'kit lens' as well, sorry i don't remember which, but the results were so inferior to the Nikon combo as far as sharpness that i rejected the Oly's and i did not think of it since then... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertwang Posted August 30, 2006 Author Share #34 Posted August 30, 2006 Yeah, that's definitely the main reason. If you use the 14-54mm lens then you get wonderful results. the 14-45mm one isn't all that great. But of course if you use Leica R lenses then there's no question about that one! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted August 30, 2006 Share #35 Posted August 30, 2006 ...the 14-45mm one isn't all that great... Must have been that lens yes but boy what a difference with the modest Nikon 18-70 then... Any info about the Sigma referred to by Imants above? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertwang Posted August 30, 2006 Author Share #36 Posted August 30, 2006 The Sigma lenses are alright... good value for price. The best Sigma is still the 28-70mm created for Leica. It was not even a Leica design but it works fairly well. I am astoundished by its performance. But even that will be replaced by the new 35-70mm for sure! I am way excited for sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted August 30, 2006 Share #37 Posted August 30, 2006 Sorry i meant the Sigma body referred to by Imants, SD 14 or something. Foveon + Leica lens could make a great combo at first glance... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertwang Posted August 30, 2006 Author Share #38 Posted August 30, 2006 There is actually a Sigma body that was modified to take the R lenses. But it looks pretty difficult to do it. I think that SK Grimes could do it but it would be expensive perhaps? I still prefer my OLIA! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted August 30, 2006 Share #39 Posted August 30, 2006 I meant that body, if it's not a fake. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/4190-digilux-3-budget-m-body/?do=findComment&comment=40258'>More sharing options...
albertwang Posted August 30, 2006 Author Share #40 Posted August 30, 2006 Yes, but it is a SA mount which is a Sigma only mount. Not much for R lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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