Kim Dahl Posted January 18 Share #1 Posted January 18 Advertisement (gone after registration) SL2 or SL2-S are very "cheap" - Should I dare to try the SL system? I never thought I would buy into the SL series after CL and TL stopped. I am a Leica boy. But I have never been caught by SL system. But now the new SL2 and SL2-S are so cheap that I've really thought about trying.... With a new SL2-S at around €2800 and SL2 €3300 I can't lose that much money trying. I already have Q328 and Q343 and Leica MD but a 24 35 APO 90 APO and a couple of Zeizz lenses. I know I will never be a Leica SL APO guy. I will not prioritize that. For that I have my M APO. They will last my life. APO SL will have to be replaced due to Af. I'm nervous about the SL2's "bad" low light capabilities. And the SL2-S's "poor" resolution. But both parts can be done - in a good way in photoshop. I mostly think that I will also use it with M lenses. I'm really in doubt if it's a good idea and what to buy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Malabito Posted January 18 Share #2 Posted January 18 the sl2s is a great camera, if you use it with a good lens those 24mps will be perfect for mostly anything you want to do perhaps besides printing huge. I have the m11, fuji x100vi, and the sl2s, and never felt that the 24mp was to little, actually is great for editing, given the smaller size, computer struggles less. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crem Posted January 18 Share #3 Posted January 18 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Kim Dahl said: SL2 or SL2-S are very "cheap" - Should I dare to try the SL system? I never thought I would buy into the SL series after CL and TL stopped. I am a Leica boy. But I have never been caught by SL system. But now the new SL2 and SL2-S are so cheap that I've really thought about trying.... With a new SL2-S at around €2800 and SL2 €3300 I can't lose that much money trying. I already have Q328 and Q343 and Leica MD but a 24 35 APO 90 APO and a couple of Zeizz lenses. I know I will never be a Leica SL APO guy. I will not prioritize that. For that I have my M APO. They will last my life. APO SL will have to be replaced due to Af. I'm nervous about the SL2's "bad" low light capabilities. And the SL2-S's "poor" resolution. But both parts can be done - in a good way in photoshop. I mostly think that I will also use it with M lenses. I'm really in doubt if it's a good idea and what to buy. I did as you said. I have a mint SL2-S and I only use it with M lenses. It’s been an absolute great experience. I encourage every M shooter to get a SL2-S as a second body. The prices are fantastic right now. Get the LLL close focus adapter and you can experience your lenses in a totally new way. I’ve really been enjoying my Summaron 28 with the LLL adapter. I happily use ISO up to 25k and the photos feel a bit filmic with the grain. Having IBIS lets me play around with slow shutter speeds too though I don’t find it useful (just fun). Don’t worry about resolution. Unless you make huge prints or crop it does not matter. I do neither and have never missed the resolution. Personally I think it will make you a better photographer if you avoid massive crops. I would avoid the SL2 sensor and stick with the SL2-S. Avoid auto focus lenses on it if you can. Other systems are much better. Edited January 18 by Crem 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post S/W Posted January 18 Popular Post Share #4 Posted January 18 I gave up the SL2-S for an SL3 because of its weight and the flip-up monitor, but not because I needed the 60 MP so much. The 24MP sensor is more than sufficient for many ideas (provided you don't constantly crop 50% out of the picture) and in low light this sensor is still up to the mark. So much so that I'm thinking about an SL3-S as a second body. To give you an idea of how well the sensor fits in low light, here's a 1.50 m x 1.00 m photo hanging in our living room, which is still razor sharp even when viewed up close, so sharp that you can even make out the people on the street. There is really nothing to be said against the SL2 or SL2-S, unless the weight and the folding monitor are important to you, but the price is convincing! Chicago Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Leica SL2-S * Leica Summicron SL 2.0/50 Asph * ISO 3200 * f/2.8 * 1/10 * Handheld * C1 18 4 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Leica SL2-S * Leica Summicron SL 2.0/50 Asph * ISO 3200 * f/2.8 * 1/10 * Handheld * C1 ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/418671-sl2-or-sl2-s-are-very-cheap-now/?do=findComment&comment=5742142'>More sharing options...
Crem Posted January 18 Share #5 Posted January 18 (edited) 32 minutes ago, S/W said: I gave up the SL2-S for an SL3 because of its weight and the flip-up monitor, but not because I needed the 60 MP so much. The 24MP sensor is more than sufficient for many ideas (provided you don't constantly crop 50% out of the picture) and in low light this sensor is still up to the mark. So much so that I'm thinking about an SL3-S as a second body. To give you an idea of how well the sensor fits in low light, here's a 1.50 m x 1.00 m photo hanging in our living room, which is still razor sharp even when viewed up close, so sharp that you can even make out the people on the street. There is really nothing to be said against the SL2 or SL2-S, unless the weight and the folding monitor are important to you, but the price is convincing! Chicago Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Leica SL2-S * Leica Summicron SL 2.0/50 Asph * ISO 3200 * f/2.8 * 1/10 * Handheld * C1 The low light on the SL2-S is impressive. I can’t say this enough… I’m zone focusing a Summaron 28 5.6 (mostly at f8)… indoors… with poor quality tungsten LED room lights mostly at ISO 12.5k - 25k. This has become my pick it up and take photos of the family camera because I enjoy the output and shooting experience. The high ISO noise is so much nicer looking than what I get out of my Sony A7C. It reminds me a bit of the first time I tried high ISO on a M10M and was amazed (except this is lower resolution and color). If a person has the funds I imagine a SL3-S is even better, but it’s hard to beat the SL2-S (used) at something like 1/2 or 1/3 the price of a new SL3-S. The only big complaints I have about the SL2-S… It is big and might not fit smaller hands. Also the AF will leave you majorly disappointed if you shoot Sony and I believe this is mostly why the used prices are so low. Buy something else if you care about AF. It’s a great second camera for M lens owners. Note, I’m told some very old wide angle lenses don’t render as well as they do on a digital M. This hasn’t been a problem for me. I think the vast majority of lenses will be more than fine including all modern M lenses. Edited January 18 by Crem 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eoin Posted January 18 Share #6 Posted January 18 52 minutes ago, Kim Dahl said: I know I will never be a Leica SL APO guy. I will not prioritize that. For that I have my M APO. They will last my life. APO SL will have to be replaced due to Af. Never say never … as they say😂 I’ve been an avid M user for about 20 years with an extensive M body & lens collection I recently bought a cheap refurb SL2 with full warranty and a 2nd hand APO Summicron SL 35mm for less than the cost of a 2nd hand APO Summicron-M 35mm. What an eye opener, it was quickly followed by 2nd hand APO 21 & APO 90, which are also stunning performant lenses. I was hoping for news of the elusive APO 24 along side the SL3-S launch which passed without even a whisper of my favourite focal length. So next day I jumped on one of the last few discounted SL2-S with full warranty as a 2nd system body for better low light capability. All I can tell you at this stage is the M lenses perform best on their M system bodies and are perfectly acceptable on the SL, but the APO SL lenses bring far more to the table then any M lens can do on the SL. My aging eyesight was the primary reason why I’ve added the SL system, but my photography soul remains true M, as someone else said in another thread, SL for what I have to get done M for what I want to do. YMMV. 😉 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crem Posted January 18 Share #7 Posted January 18 Advertisement (gone after registration) 5 minutes ago, Eoin said: Never say never … as they say😂 This is why I keep avoiding even trying the APO SL 28 or 35! I’m more of a vintage look M lens kind of guy, but those two lenses do seem extremely impressive to me when shot wide open. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliot Harper Posted January 18 Share #8 Posted January 18 (edited) I was somewhat like you, a life long M shooter with tons of M lenses. Then got into Q starting from Q2, and recently Q3/43 to just have fun with family trips. SL2-S got into a price point that I could not resist at all (I got a never-used open box from an authorized dealer for $2300). It's even cheaper than some of my Nikon D and Z cameras. So I took it to just explore the new territory. I mainly shoot it with adapted M lenses, with LLL adapter with helicoid. The lens effectively becomes macro lens. The size of Noctilux 50/1.2 on the SL2-S body is perfect and the manual focus so much easier than rangefinder. I don't even use SL lenses anymore. It's a cheap fun toy (in Leica's world). With less than $3000 I can have lots of fun with my M lenses. Why not. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited January 18 by Elliot Harper 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/418671-sl2-or-sl2-s-are-very-cheap-now/?do=findComment&comment=5742210'>More sharing options...
Eoin Posted January 18 Share #9 Posted January 18 4 minutes ago, Elliot Harper said: I was somewhat like you, a life long M shooter with tons of M lenses. Then got into Q starting from Q2, and recently Q3/43 to just have fun with family trips. 😂 They talk of the Q being a gateway drug to the M, I’ll freely admit it was the gateway to the SL in my case. I really enjoyed the care free freedom the Q2-M afforded me, first time in my life that I could actually stomach an EVF, hence I knew the SL’s EVF would work for me. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 18 Share #10 Posted January 18 2 hours ago, Kim Dahl said: And the SL2-S's "poor" resolution. 🤣🤣 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LBJ2 Posted January 18 Share #11 Posted January 18 2 hours ago, Kim Dahl said: SL2 or SL2-S are very "cheap" - Should I dare to try the SL system? I never thought I would buy into the SL series after CL and TL stopped. I am a Leica boy. But I have never been caught by SL system. But now the new SL2 and SL2-S are so cheap that I've really thought about trying.... With a new SL2-S at around €2800 and SL2 €3300 I can't lose that much money trying. I already have Q328 and Q343 and Leica MD but a 24 35 APO 90 APO and a couple of Zeizz lenses. I know I will never be a Leica SL APO guy. I will not prioritize that. For that I have my M APO. They will last my life. APO SL will have to be replaced due to Af. I'm nervous about the SL2's "bad" low light capabilities. And the SL2-S's "poor" resolution. But both parts can be done - in a good way in photoshop. I mostly think that I will also use it with M lenses. I'm really in doubt if it's a good idea and what to buy. Perhaps a more simplistic way to consider: which do you think you will value most often: 1. SL2-S in-camera high ISO processing or 2. More resolution in the SL2 to pair with your Leica M APO lenses? Personally, since I am a Leica SL APO prime guy, my choice was most certainly the higher resolution camera of the two. As much as I enjoy the SL system, if not for the Leica SL APO primes, I probably wouldn't buy any Leica SL camera. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kim Dahl Posted January 18 Author Share #12 Posted January 18 (edited) 6 minutes ago, LBJ2 said: Perhaps a more simplistic way to consider: which do you think you will value most often: 1. SL2-S in-camera high ISO processing or 2. More resolution in the SL2 to pair with your Leica M APO lenses? Personally, since I am a Leica SL APO prime guy, my choice was most certainly the higher resolution camera of the two. As much as I enjoy the SL system, if not for the Leica SL APO primes, I probably wouldn't buy any Leica SL camera. I'm probably a bit of the same. I like clean and true colors and can blur my photos myself in photoshop 😉 But admittedly it is the price that has made me change my mind about the SL. Ideally, it would be nice with an SL3, but even as a heavy Leica M and Q3 user, I think it's too expensive for what it is. SL3 - but maybe I'm wrong. With the Leica M, the price doesn't matter so much because I know I'll have it for many years 🙂 Edited January 18 by Kim Dahl 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 18 Share #13 Posted January 18 As the sensor-lens system is additive and not weakest link APO lenses will certainly perform amazingly well on the SL2S. But yes, for maximum performance you must bring both components to the highest level. Whether it will make a difference to the final result and viewer appreciation is another discussion. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olaf_ZG Posted January 18 Share #14 Posted January 18 3 hours ago, Kim Dahl said: Should I dare to try the SL system? Take my advice. Don’t. I did it, and now I own both 2’s, an apo prime, two zooms, the lux, a sigma and Panasonic. Imagine what I could have saved if I didn’t dared the system… 2 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kim Dahl Posted January 18 Author Share #15 Posted January 18 15 minutes ago, Olaf_ZG said: Take my advice. Don’t. I did it, and now I own both 2’s, an apo prime, two zooms, the lux, a sigma and Panasonic. Imagine what I could have saved if I didn’t dared the system… Ha ha 😂 - you're probably right. But I think it will be just as expensive if I start on Nikon - Canon - Sony...maybe. Because I already have a few M lenses... But to be honest, I also know that those brands offer something else - which I might need more. So the question is perhaps more whether the heart or the brain should choose... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planetwide Posted January 18 Share #16 Posted January 18 2 hours ago, Crem said: This is why I keep avoiding even trying the APO SL 28 or 35! I’m more of a vintage look M lens kind of guy, but those two lenses do seem extremely impressive to me when shot wide open. Wait til you try the SL 50 Lux... 😁 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 18 Share #17 Posted January 18 25 minutes ago, Kim Dahl said: more whether the heart or the brain should choose.. What a question - this is Leica. Your brain should be shut down. 1 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olaf_ZG Posted January 18 Share #18 Posted January 18 16 minutes ago, jaapv said: What a question - this is Leica. Your brain should be shut down. Or freeze, to keep it in the appropriate slang 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kim Dahl Posted January 18 Author Share #19 Posted January 18 You didn't do it, did you?? Please ask again - I'll consider it if I can get some € in cash 😂 - seriously I know 24 MP is enough for most things. But I'm quite happy with the Q3 with 60 mil MP - but I can't buy the SL3 now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
padam Posted January 18 Share #20 Posted January 18 5 hours ago, Crem said: The only big complaints I have about the SL2-S… It is big and might not fit smaller hands. Try a half case, solved that issue for me. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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