mpauliks Posted January 18 Share #61 Posted January 18 Advertisement (gone after registration) 20 hours ago, SrMi said: I consider the handheld multishot broken. I understand you, however hoping strong on progress with next firmwares. Meanwhile I tried my small Sigma Contemporary 35 and 45. 35 seems to work really good and 45 is doing pretty fine on first impression. Seems maybe to depend on the lens itself too? Anyway very curious to here what S5 II owners can tell too on longer focal length! 20 hours ago, SrMi said: Can anyone with S5 II confirm that handheld multishot works with longer focal lengths? Just checked my cute Pana S9 can do handheld 96 MP Pixel Shift too. Never used it so far. Will check. Gimme a bit please. It works great on Pana S9 with longer focal lengthes. Could even get one with 300 mm, 200mm is easy on Leica 100-400. Here the Flickr Link. RAW SOOC to Jpg. So, give SL3-S a bit of time, I am pretty sure it will catch up! Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/418658-multishot-on-sl3-s/?do=findComment&comment=5742374'>More sharing options...
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SrMi Posted January 19 Author Share #62 Posted January 19 3 hours ago, mpauliks said: Just checked my cute Pana S9 can do handheld 96 MP Pixel Shift too. Never used it so far. Will check. Gimme a bit please. I have occasional success with 50mm, but not longer. Can you check whether the S9 turns off stabilization during handheld multishot? The fact that the stabilization is off during handheld shooting makes the multishot much less usable. It should be on. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpauliks Posted January 19 Share #63 Posted January 19 Will check. But just let it run in fully automatic mode so far. Much superior to SL3-S right now. I hope that Maestro IV is strong enough to achieve the same like Pana! APS-C does not seem to work either and seems to be limited to ISO 3200 too! 16 hours ago, SrMi said: I have occasional success with 50mm, but not longer. Can you check whether the S9 turns off stabilization during handheld multishot? The fact that the stabilization is off during handheld shooting makes the multishot much less usable. It should be on. Which 50 are you trying. Sigma Contemp 45 is doing pretty good on SL3-S IMO. S9 says, IS is on for body and lens. 100-400 has lens IS. But I would not trust that too much, as handheld Multishift is able to overwrite settings. Anyway image above was taken with 200mm and 1/40s according Exif, so it must be on at S9! If Exif is correct! Also it was indoors, so IS must be on! I believe your thought is correct! Leica just has to manage to get the IS running! It seems really that so far handheld is not supported by IS. Regardless what you pick! This makes me optimistic again! Did mail to Wetzlar about IS. Let´s stay tuned. You did here outstanding with knife sharp mind! Thank you for that from me too! I am sorry please, I cannot find the link for you with the compare images of SL3 60 MP vs. SL3-S 96 MP. Anyway SL3-S was superior. Just cannot prove it to you please by images. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted January 19 Author Share #64 Posted January 19 3 hours ago, mpauliks said: I am sorry please, I cannot find the link for you with the compare images of SL3 60 MP vs. SL3-S 96 MP. Anyway SL3-S was superior. Just cannot prove it to you please by images. No worries, I have both and will run tests later. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photoworks Posted January 19 Share #65 Posted January 19 10 hours ago, SrMi said: I have occasional success with 50mm, but not longer. Can you check whether the S9 turns off stabilization during handheld multishot? The fact that the stabilization is off during handheld shooting makes the multishot much less usable. It should be on. You are saying the camera has to use IBIS, plus shift pixel for multishot, and all that full frame without cropping? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpauliks Posted January 19 Share #66 Posted January 19 5 hours ago, Photoworks said: You are saying the camera has to use IBIS, plus shift pixel for multishot, and all that full frame without cropping? For the >handheld Pixel Shift it seems like this. You tried 800mm on Pana S9 with a little monopod and handheld Pixelshit: it is working! Awaiting same for SL3-S with next firmware updates Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted January 19 Author Share #67 Posted January 19 Advertisement (gone after registration) 3 hours ago, Photoworks said: You are saying the camera has to use IBIS, plus shift pixel for multishot, and all that full frame without cropping? It does not matter whether it is full frame or m43. It matters how much data needs to be processed. Olympus m43 cameras have been doing it for a very long time (20MP), and Panasonic does it for its m43 (25MP) and FF cameras (24MP). IBIS is needed to have a handheld shot that is sharp at a lower shutter speed. Handheld multishot does not use pixel shift, which requires a stable camera and no IBIS but slight camera body movements. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photoworks Posted January 19 Share #68 Posted January 19 1 hour ago, SrMi said: IBIS is needed to have a handheld shot that is sharp at a lower shutter speed. Handheld multishot does not use pixel shift, which requires a stable camera and no IBIS but slight camera body movements. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/418658-multishot-on-sl3-s/?do=findComment&comment=5742850'>More sharing options...
SrMi Posted January 19 Author Share #69 Posted January 19 34 minutes ago, Photoworks said: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! That is obviously not true for handheld multishot ("It is therefore recommended to place the camera on a tripod"). Interestingly, handheld multishot works on a tripod. However, it produces worse results (less resolution) than handheld, probably because there is insufficient movement between the frames. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted January 19 Author Share #70 Posted January 19 I checked the resolution difference between SL3-S multishot and SL3 using my bookshelf. The SL3-S tripod multishot has, for all practical purposes, the same resolution as SL3 when compared at the same output size. SL3-S tripod multishot has less noise, though. So, the SL3-S tripod multishot has a better IQ than the SL3, but the multishot has limitations. Note that motion artifact removal reduces IQ (resolution and noise) where motion artifact was fixed. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted January 20 Share #71 Posted January 20 I only shoot DNG so when I receive my SL3S I will use it in DNG mode which is 96MP ONLY-no 48MP option in DNG. I often have used multi shot mode in my SL2S and mainly liked the results. I own the image so I decide what the viewer sees and if I want to crop then it gives much more latitude and if I want to print large then I can. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpauliks Posted January 20 Share #72 Posted January 20 (edited) vor 2 Stunden schrieb algrove: no 48MP option in DNG. At SL3-S you can choose. 96 MP or 48.1 MP. Several formats available to pick incl. DNG only and more. Did not try, if DNG is always in 96 MP. Waste of time IMO honestly. + Update: DNG is at 96 MP even when you pick M resolution. Why is this important please? This was a serious thread so far! Hope, it will stay so! Not up for any nitpicking! Else wise I am out here! Edited January 20 by mpauliks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photoworks Posted January 20 Share #73 Posted January 20 7 hours ago, SrMi said: That is obviously not true for handheld multishot ("It is therefore recommended to place the camera on a tripod"). Interestingly, handheld multishot works on a tripod. However, it produces worse results (less resolution) than handheld, probably because there is insufficient movement between the frames. You are probably saying that Leica made a mistake in the SL3-s instruction book?!? It sounds to me that it works the same way as the SL2, and just added a handheld option, something other cameras had for some time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpauliks Posted January 20 Share #74 Posted January 20 vor 5 Minuten schrieb Photoworks: You are probably saying that Leica made a mistake in the SL3-s instruction book?!? Handheld Mode, Version 1, is buggy. Leica is informed. We figured it out here. Let´s not spend further time on this till they fix. I am optimistic for an easy fix. Reason: IS does not make sense at tripod mode, but IS does make a lot of sense at handheld. As an early programmer from 198x, this should only be a flag IMO in code. If handheld, turn IS on else not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted January 20 Author Share #75 Posted January 20 53 minutes ago, Photoworks said: You are probably saying that Leica made a mistake in the SL3-s instruction book?!? It sounds to me that it works the same way as the SL2, and just added a handheld option, something other cameras had for some time. Leica's instructions had copy-and-paste errors before. You cannot do "small offsets" when holding it in hand, and IBIS turned off, can you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpauliks Posted January 20 Share #76 Posted January 20 vor 1 Minute schrieb SrMi: Leica's instructions had copy-and-paste errors before. You cannot do "small offsets" when holding it in hand, and IBIS turned off, can you? Honestly, I believe handheld is Pixel Shift too and not AI super resolution. AI at big Leicas is a big issue at community. Nutshell: Folks do not want it to my impression. I think Leica will be super super careful about introducing such. Maybe at denoise first, but they will never tell us so far in order not to push back the typical Leica customers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted January 20 Author Share #77 Posted January 20 Just now, mpauliks said: Honestly, I believe handheld is Pixel Shift too and not AI super resolution. AI at big Leicas is a big issue at community. Nutshell: Folks do not want it to my impression. I think Leica will be super super careful about introducing such. Maybe at denoise first, but they will never tell us so far in order not to push back the typical Leica customers. Superresolution is not AI. You can do it yourself by shooting several images handheld (must have slight movement between the shots) and then merging them in post. It is an old technique. Here is an article from 2015: https://petapixel.com/2015/02/21/a-practical-guide-to-creating-superresolution-photos-with-photoshop/ 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpauliks Posted January 20 Share #78 Posted January 20 Got you! Thank you for the link! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpauliks Posted January 20 Share #79 Posted January 20 vor 8 Minuten schrieb SrMi: Superresolution is not AI. You can do it yourself by shooting several images handheld (must have slight movement between the shots) and then merging them in post. It is an old technique. Here is an article from 2015: https://petapixel.com/2015/02/21/a-practical-guide-to-creating-superresolution-photos-with-photoshop/ I allow me to share this scientific arcticle from 2023 too here. Some might dig into if interested: https://www.ipol.im/pub/art/2023/460/article.pdf 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted January 21 Share #80 Posted January 21 On 1/17/2025 at 8:28 PM, LD_50 said: Without the option for artifact reduction in handheld mode, how well does it handle motion? You sure about that? I just saw the Leica Miami SL3S video and I must look again but Josh said to turn it off for test handheld results. Or am I wrong? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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