evikne Posted January 9 Share #21 Posted January 9 Advertisement (gone after registration) 21 hours ago, Rory Jacobs said: The main reason for this is not being distracted by the urge to review an image directly after taking it on my M10. So your problem is not that you inadvertently hit the button, but you are just too curious. In your case, I'd say the only thing you need is a little more willpower: Just don't push the damn button!😉 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chris W Posted January 9 Share #22 Posted January 9 I have to agree. We don't need software to stop us from doing something, we just need to practice self control. Also, the M10D, M11D is a point well made Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgh Posted January 9 Share #23 Posted January 9 5 hours ago, Chris W said: we just need to practice self control Again, data strongly support that the best way to make a sustainable change is setting yourself up for success, and only then self control. We can live with the illusion that we’re the special stoic who can really do it, but most of us aren’t, and the smart approach towards habit change really is something in the spirit of disabling the play button. So yea, while hacking the firmware probably won’t work, the idea is much further down the right track than “don’t press the button.” Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 9 Share #24 Posted January 9 (edited) Not pressing a button? Come on. It is not a drug addiction. How many buttons does an average person not press each day ? Even sitting in a car with an array of buttons in front of you any sane driver is only pressing the one he needs. Or are we switching the windscreen wipers on and off all the time when it is not raining? Don’t need don’t press. That is what buttons are designed for. There are therapies for compulsive behavior. https://neurolaunch.com/tapping-ocd/ Edited January 9 by jaapv 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
evikne Posted January 9 Share #25 Posted January 9 9 minutes ago, jaapv said: Or are we switching the windscreen wipers on and off all the time when it is not raining? I'm glad I can lock the windows of the rear doors from the driver's seat when the children are in the car. 😄 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris W Posted January 10 Share #26 Posted January 10 17 hours ago, pgh said: Again, data strongly support that the best way to make a sustainable change is setting yourself up for success Setting yourself up for success means deciding you aren't going to touch the play button today, then two days, then a week etc.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 10 Share #27 Posted January 10 Advertisement (gone after registration) And rewarding yourself with a chocolate at the end of the day, week etc. if you managed to comply with your goal. Rewarding good behaviour with a snack does wonders in dog training. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Cantor Posted January 10 Share #28 Posted January 10 The snide button appears quite popular on this thread. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlesphoto99 Posted January 11 Share #29 Posted January 11 On 1/10/2025 at 6:03 AM, David Cantor said: The snide button appears quite popular on this thread. I prefer the snark button myself, but I have tried training myself to not push it as often as I would like too. (dang, just pressed it again...) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgh Posted January 13 Share #30 Posted January 13 On 1/9/2025 at 12:34 PM, jaapv said: Not pressing a button? Come on. It is not a drug addiction. How many buttons does an average person not press each day ? Even sitting in a car with an array of buttons in front of you any sane driver is only pressing the one he needs. Or are we switching the windscreen wipers on and off all the time when it is not raining? Don’t need don’t press. That is what buttons are designed for. There are therapies for compulsive behavior. https://neurolaunch.com/tapping-ocd/ This is a broke ass analogy because the play button gives a sort of feedback that entirely different. I made my point - the ocd reference is entirely off base, unless you actually think it’s appropriate to armchair diagnose every photographer who felt like they chimped too much. Either way, OP had a somewhat novel or creative question - much of the response said more about respondents than anything OP asked about. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 13 Share #31 Posted January 13 Don't all buttons produce some kind of feedback or action? Unless broken of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgh Posted January 13 Share #32 Posted January 13 Yes, that’s why I said different sort. I didn’t say no feedback. If you’re really trying to make the analogy work then it might be something more like engaging with the play button while photographing a dynamic scene is akin to (while less harmful than) picking up the phone to look at your texts while driving. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris W Posted January 13 Share #33 Posted January 13 11 hours ago, pgh said: Either way, OP had a somewhat novel or creative question - much of the response said more about respondents than anything OP asked about. Not really. I particularly dislike the design by committee approach of many new products. The beauty of Leica is the simplicity, pure design. I've seen it in music products, especially music software. Someone requests a niche feature on the company's web forum, then a bunch of others chime in. As time goes on, many customer requested features get incorporated into the product and the product goes from easy to use to a blizzard of niche features you have to try and navigate through or disable. I'm not conservative or resistant to change. But the feature the OP requested is already available (M10D, M11D) and one of the main reasons I use leica cameras is because of the streamlined, simple workflow and menu system. Just don't touch the 'play' button! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
evikne Posted January 13 Share #34 Posted January 13 2 hours ago, Chris W said: I've seen it in music products, especially music software. Someone requests a niche feature on the company's web forum, then a bunch of others chime in. As time goes on, many customer requested features get incorporated into the product and the product goes from easy to use to a blizzard of niche features you have to try and navigate through or disable. A bit like Apple. Simplicity and ease of use were their hallmarks. Now, doing something as simple as creating a small text document on my Mac has become cumbersome, and changing settings on my iPhone becomes more complex with each update. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgh Posted January 15 Share #35 Posted January 15 On 1/13/2025 at 6:36 AM, Chris W said: Not really. I particularly dislike the design by committee approach of many new products. The beauty of Leica is the simplicity, pure design. I've seen it in music products, especially music software. Someone requests a niche feature on the company's web forum, then a bunch of others chime in. As time goes on, many customer requested features get incorporated into the product and the product goes from easy to use to a blizzard of niche features you have to try and navigate through or disable. I'm not conservative or resistant to change. But the feature the OP requested is already available (M10D, M11D) and one of the main reasons I use leica cameras is because of the streamlined, simple workflow and menu system. Just don't touch the 'play' button! Agree to disagree. What OP asked for is different than the D, and anyways, a 9k solution is much different one than a software hack (were it feasible). I personally wouldn't see much need for the feature, but the response is telling, for me. In that I initially thought something like - "huh, I get what they want to do. Not sure it will work, but I appreciate the desire for a tweak" and many others apparently thought something like "spend more money for a totally different thing if you're not happy. Or hey, you're the problem, just be better" - neither of which struck me as remotely helpful or feasible and is something I find genuinely curious. These forums are full of bad suggestions for cameras - it's practically half the reason they exist - people with some of the most expensive cameras on the planet still not happy with them, wanting something better, newer, different, always. You're not going to avoid that from happening. I've seen much worse ones, and really have not found reason to worry about it. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris W Posted January 15 Share #36 Posted January 15 (edited) 1 hour ago, pgh said: These forums are full of bad suggestions for cameras - it's practically half the reason they exist - people with some of the most expensive cameras on the planet still not happy with them, wanting something better, newer, different, always. You're not going to avoid that from happening. I've seen much worse ones, and really have not found reason to worry about it. Yeah, I've been on forums for 20+ years. Forums are places where people share opinions. So in this case, the opinion of most was a 'software hack' isn't needed. We're totally allowed to have a different opinion to the OP. On my M10 I can set the automatic review of a shot just taken from 1 to 10 seconds, without having to press play. I can also set 'no review' in the menu. This continued characterisation that the respondents were prejudiced or just plain grumpy is unnecessary. No one actually said "you're the problem". But isn't it like a first world problem that someone just can't stop themselves from reviewing their every shot? Edited January 15 by Chris W Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgh Posted January 15 Share #37 Posted January 15 2 hours ago, Chris W said: Yeah, I've been on forums for 20+ years. Forums are places where people share opinions. So in this case, the opinion of most was a 'software hack' isn't needed. We're totally allowed to have a different opinion to the OP. On my M10 I can set the automatic review of a shot just taken from 1 to 10 seconds, without having to press play. I can also set 'no review' in the menu. This continued characterisation that the respondents were prejudiced or just plain grumpy is unnecessary. No one actually said "you're the problem". But isn't it like a first world problem that someone just can't stop themselves from reviewing their every shot? As I said - agree to disagree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlesphoto99 Posted January 15 Share #38 Posted January 15 Perhaps Leica should institute a 'disable ALL back buttons' menu item - but of course you only get to do it ONCE. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramarren Posted January 16 Share #39 Posted January 16 Hmm. This sounds to like a cure in search of a disease. I've had my M10-M for three years and the M10-R for two. I think I've pressed the Play button maybe twice with each of them, when I was doing tabletop work and wanted to check my focus after making a test exposure. And on those four occasions, I was happy that there was a Play button there. Otherwise, I just ignore it, just like I switched off the auto-review function... Dreaming up complex cures to non-existent problems is surely not the best use of your time and energy. Go practice making great photographs instead... However you do it is much more productive than figuring out how to modify something that has no need of modification. G 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris W Posted January 16 Share #40 Posted January 16 10 hours ago, pgh said: As I said - agree to disagree. Sure, which I think doesn't include making negative comments about the character of people who disagree with the OP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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