LocalHero1953 Posted January 4 Share #21 Posted January 4 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) So we’re agreed: all we need is the Leica Pocket Book for the facts plus the forum threads for the opinions? Job done. Edited January 4 by LocalHero1953 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Steadimann Posted January 4 Share #22 Posted January 4 p.s. Erwin Puts Leica Lens compendium is available for free to download here: https://www.overgaard.dk/LP-Leica-books-by-Erwin-Puts-on-lenses-cameras-and-the-history-of-the-company.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 4 Share #23 Posted January 4 The Leica Compendium which succeeded the Leica Lens compendium is the ultimate source. However, if we would try and make as comprehensive a description as the OP suggested we would need a library by focal length of books like the Leica Lens Saga by Erwin Puts on Leica 50 mm lenses which counts 382 pages. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Example page of the Leica. Compendium I would suggest that the OP buys (or downloads) and reads these books first. https://www.overgaard.dk/LP-Leica-books-by-Erwin-Puts-on-lenses-cameras-and-the-history-of-the-company.html 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Example page of the Leica. Compendium I would suggest that the OP buys (or downloads) and reads these books first. https://www.overgaard.dk/LP-Leica-books-by-Erwin-Puts-on-lenses-cameras-and-the-history-of-the-company.html ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/418337-leica-lens-template-proposal/?do=findComment&comment=5733861'>More sharing options...
UliWer Posted January 4 Share #24 Posted January 4 vor 29 Minuten schrieb jaapv: the Leica Lens compendium is the ultimate source I fear we would not even agree on this assertion. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 4 Share #25 Posted January 4 It is a good thing that your mis-quotation is the opposite of what I said, then. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altair Posted January 4 Author Share #26 Posted January 4 1 hour ago, jaapv said: That is already easily accessible in the lens subforums on this site, Red Dot Forums, FM, Facebook groups, etc. Just use the search functions. Furthermore most image posters do list the gear and lenses used in the image (sub) forums. Corect, but the amount of information is overwhelming and scattered and has no proof of validity whatsoever as a thread. A published effort that has the mark of several well known photographers, enthusiasts, plus the backing and represents several or one community at the least would be a must read for someone knew to Leica. Again, this is targeted at the uninitiated, and should be executed by the passionate. Also important to note, this will be a living document that should be updated or corrected....improved upon with time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altair Posted January 4 Author Share #27 Posted January 4 Advertisement (gone after registration) 47 minutes ago, LocalHero1953 said: So we’re agreed: all we need is the Leica Pocket Book for the facts plus the forum threads for the opinions? Job done. Combining that, adding sample photos, might very well be what is needed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 4 Share #28 Posted January 4 But it would need standarized sample photos to be meaningful; in subject, lighting and postprocessing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altair Posted January 4 Author Share #29 Posted January 4 2 minutes ago, jaapv said: But it would need standarized sample photos to be meaningful; in subject, lighting and postprocessing. That very well might be a requirement, or it could be that each lens needs its own approach to showcase its strengths and why it is desired. I am about as new as can be and can't be depended to make a suggestion in that regard. I do know that a dedicated thread would have to be created to gather suggestions for the general template, with a project lead or several project leads doing polls and making final decisions. Only the opinion of those in the know should be considered ( number of years on this forum could be a determining factor to simplify that ) If I can make a recommendation, can someone with enough experience start a thread to decide on a starting template at the least, we decide on a single widely used lens, and do ONE sample " user guide ++" and see how it goes. I think it would be enjoyable for the experienced and passionate and VERY useful for someone as new as myself. I would have to stress, this is not meant to compete with comprehensive super detailed publications, as described this is an enhanced used guide from the perspective of the community that will act as a starting point as well as an aid in decision making regarding acquisition. Who is going to be our hero? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 4 Share #30 Posted January 4 Well, the one who suggested this I would say. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altair Posted January 4 Author Share #31 Posted January 4 Deciding on which lens to start with is one thing to get out of the way. I think either the 35 or 50 Summicron ASPH as they are the most popular and have unique enough aspects to showcase. Second trial effort could be with the opposite, a niche challenge lens, 50 0.95 or Mandler Summilux 75 come to mind. Both could be allot of fun to compete and see who can represent these lenses unique abilities best. Decision to be done by taking a poll and final judgement my project management team. Let's do this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altair Posted January 4 Author Share #32 Posted January 4 4 minutes ago, jaapv said: Well, the one who suggested this I would say. Me? I wouldn't presume to be a good enough photographer or knowledgeable enough to do so, otherwise would be happy to. I am, however, new enough to still understand what is required to the uninitiated. That is my super power as far as this effort is concerned. Let's do two lenses and see how the energy and feedback is. One thread to discuss template. Another to gather information and agree on actual content. A third to gather required images as per agreed upon aspects in thread 2. "Just" that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamc Posted January 4 Share #33 Posted January 4 (edited) The AI “quick read / opinion gathering” from this forum may work - if such a tool exists to only look in one place versus aggregating opinions across the web. Otherwise, a user I) wanting the opinion of one person: can go to various sources mentioned, or 2) wanting multi-person opinions on which to draw their own conclusions: can come to this forum and its masses of opinions and image threads . Is the idea to manually gather info that replaces the legwork needed by a user for #2 ? Big job and already here in whatever form the user wants to research it themselves, IMO Edited January 4 by grahamc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted January 4 Share #34 Posted January 4 2 hours ago, Altair said: Corect, but the amount of information is overwhelming and scattered and has no proof of validity whatsoever as a thread. A published effort that has the mark of several well known photographers, enthusiasts, plus the backing and represents several or one community at the least would be a must read for someone knew to Leica. Many of the assertions made here on the forum have little or no validity but gain traction because of people's 'belief' in them. Finding objective people who fit you criteria might be difficult if they are to satisfy them for everyone. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted January 4 Share #35 Posted January 4 I look forward to reading the thread that sets out to agree which members should be allowed to contribute and those who would be excluded. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altair Posted January 4 Author Share #36 Posted January 4 2 minutes ago, LocalHero1953 said: I look forward to reading the thread that sets out to agree which members should be allowed to contribute and those who would be excluded. You are reading ir right now. Five years on the forum as a minimum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 4 Share #37 Posted January 4 One of the problems here is illustrated by the "King of Bokeh" saga. Mike Johnston (TOP) once put this in a caption for the Summicron 35 V4. It gained traction and made the lens an Internet legend. However, as he later revealed the he rarely if ever used the lens wide open, as he rather disliked the OOF rendering and it was more of tongue-in-cheek, which he regretted in retrospect. He was right too, as opposed to all the lyrical "reviews" that followed, the lens is not one of Leica's best in this respect. But the myth lives on... How are you going to filter this kind of nonsense? 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 4 Share #38 Posted January 4 4 minutes ago, LocalHero1953 said: I look forward to reading the thread that sets out to agree which members should be allowed to contribute and those who would be excluded. You are making a list? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted January 4 Share #39 Posted January 4 Just now, Altair said: You are reading ir right now. Five years on the forum as a minimum. Please count me out!🥸 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted January 4 Share #40 Posted January 4 I like to see the M11 magenta tint thread as an example to follow: a mature, professional, co-operative analysis of a technical issue, achieving a consensus that everyone else in the forum can accept. 😬 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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