Deeetona Posted January 21 Share #281 Posted January 21 Advertisement (gone after registration) As interesting as that dialogue is... "Film" photography has been around for very long and it has shaped our perception how a "proper" photograph has to look like. Once digital technology grew up a bit, the products became indistinguishable from film for the "common man", but of course ambitious hobbyists and professionals alike sharpened their senses and pixelpeeped and found the smallest details in hugely blown up photos and, like wine connoisseurs, debated endlessly about it, in the end chasing a holy grail which is largely fictional. It is what men do. Digital offers a lot of things film cannot. Smartphones offer capabilities beyond the imagination of a 1990s SLR photographer. At the same time, for some people, taking photos with a film camera has become a fashion statement, be it the Berlin hipster and his Holga or ironic chest-haired 1970s SLR, or the denttorney and his rarely used "mint" limited edition Leica kit, with "better" lenses than the already "better" standard ones. Most of the people who have to use cameras to put bread on the table, the craftsmen - wedding photographers, journalists and the like - rely on disposable machines. The discerning amateur and some arts-y pros use Leicas. Even Jim Rakete used the 1st gen Monochrome and despite its "low" MP, made some good-enough-for-him shots with it. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Anthony MD Posted January 21 Author Share #282 Posted January 21 4 minutes ago, Paulus said: No, I said it was off key. I did not say that I care about this recording. I did listen it once, I don’t have to listen to it any more. and further: What you can hear is what you have learned. It is done with your musical mind , not with your ears. You can learn to hear better, that’s what musicians learn: Trauning you mind/ ability. You can have eyes , but that would not mean that you can read Ullysses by James Joyce. What I’ve learned is to appreciate musicians and their commitment to give listeners enjoyment on their audio systems…🎙️ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 21 Share #283 Posted January 21 5 minutes ago, Anthony MD said: Let’s get back to “why do photographers want to make their digital images look like film anyway”…📷🎞️ Too bad i wanted to discuss the effect of carbon fiber brush on analog recordings 😄 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony MD Posted January 21 Author Share #284 Posted January 21 3 minutes ago, Deeetona said: As interesting as that dialogue is... "Film" photography has been around for very long and it has shaped our perception how a "proper" photograph has to look like. Once digital technology grew up a bit, the products became indistinguishable from film for the "common man", but of course ambitious hobbyists and professionals alike sharpened their senses and pixelpeeped and found the smallest details in hugely blown up photos and, like wine connoisseurs, debated endlessly about it, in the end chasing a holy grail which is largely fictional. It is what men do. Digital offers a lot of things film cannot. Smartphones offer capabilities beyond the imagination of a 1990s SLR photographer. At the same time, for some people, taking photos with a film camera has become a fashion statement, be it the Berlin hipster and his Holga or ironic chest-haired 1970s SLR, or the denttorney and his rarely used "mint" limited edition Leica kit, with "better" lenses than the already "better" standard ones. Most of the people who have to use cameras to put bread on the table, the craftsmen - wedding photographers, journalists and the like - rely on disposable machines. The discerning amateur and some arts-y pros use Leicas. Even Jim Rakete used the 1st gen Monochrome and despite its "low" MP, made some good-enough-for-him shots with it. Photography is for artistic expression not negative criticism…🤓 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homo Faber Posted January 21 Share #285 Posted January 21 vor 1 Minute schrieb Anthony MD: What I’ve learned is to appreciate musicians and their commitment to give listeners enjoyment on their audio systems…🎙️ Dear Anthony, we get it, seriously. Let's get back to topic, shall we. As you can see @Deeetona already has made a brave attempt to bring the ship back to course. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony MD Posted January 21 Author Share #286 Posted January 21 (edited) 3 minutes ago, lct said: Too bad i wanted to discuss the effect of carbon fiber brush on analog recordings 😄 I’ll allow you to talk about it, briefly…😂 Edited January 21 by Anthony MD 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted January 21 Share #287 Posted January 21 Advertisement (gone after registration) vor 11 Minuten schrieb Anthony MD: Currently listening to the Brandenburg Concertos, Bath Festival Chamber Orchestra, ASD 327 with Yehudi Menuhin playing the Stradivarius and suddenly realizing why enjoy such a bad performance, as I have often done, and appreciating Yehudi as a great violinist when he’s not…🧐 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! You’re not listening, i think, to what I wanted to explain in this discussion. But that’s no problem. I have experienced this often. It’s a difficult subject imho. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deeetona Posted January 21 Share #288 Posted January 21 9 minutes ago, Deeetona said: As interesting as that dialogue is... "Film" photography has been around for very long and it has shaped our perception how a "proper" photograph has to look like. Once digital technology grew up a bit, the products became indistinguishable from film for the "common man", but of course ambitious hobbyists and professionals alike sharpened their senses and pixelpeeped and found the smallest details in hugely blown up photos and, like wine connoisseurs, debated endlessly about it, in the end chasing a holy grail which is largely fictional. It is what men do. Digital offers a lot of things film cannot. Smartphones offer capabilities beyond the imagination of a 1990s SLR photographer. At the same time, for some people, taking photos with a film camera has become a fashion statement, be it the Berlin hipster and his Holga or ironic chest-haired 1970s SLR, or the denttorney and his rarely used "mint" limited edition Leica kit, with "better" lenses than the already "better" standard ones. Most of the people who have to use cameras to put bread on the table, the craftsmen - wedding photographers, journalists and the like - rely on disposable machines. The discerning amateur and some arts-y pros use Leicas. Even Jim Rakete used the 1st gen Monochrome and despite its "low" MP, made some good-enough-for-him shots with it. I also read on on the the photo blogs, cant remember which one, that GenZ thinks that early digital cameras look like "film". So the coarse-pixel, off-colours photo in low res is supposed to look like something made with a R5, a 1980s Summilux and some high quality Kodak??? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony MD Posted January 21 Author Share #289 Posted January 21 (edited) I shoot digital because of the long wait time and cost of film development. And quite like the results…📷 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited January 21 by Anthony MD Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/418225-why-do-photographers-want-to-make-their-digital-images-look-like-film-anyway%E2%80%A6/?do=findComment&comment=5744141'>More sharing options...
Anthony MD Posted January 21 Author Share #290 Posted January 21 I’ve shot film for over thirty years and loved the look…🎞️ Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/418225-why-do-photographers-want-to-make-their-digital-images-look-like-film-anyway%E2%80%A6/?do=findComment&comment=5744142'>More sharing options...
Anthony MD Posted January 21 Author Share #291 Posted January 21 (edited) I don’t want to make the two formats look the same. They will lose their purpose and individual character…📷🎞️ Edited January 21 by Anthony MD Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony MD Posted January 21 Author Share #292 Posted January 21 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Paulus said: You’re not listening, i think, to what I wanted to explain in this discussion. But that’s no problem. I have experienced this often. It’s a difficult subject imho. It’s difficult to understand your explanations when one is not gifted in that area of expertise. And back to the original post…📷🎞️ Edited January 21 by Anthony MD Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony MD Posted January 21 Author Share #293 Posted January 21 6 minutes ago, Deeetona said: I also read on on the the photo blogs, cant remember which one, that GenZ thinks that early digital cameras look like "film". So the coarse-pixel, off-colours photo in low res is supposed to look like something made with a R5, a 1980s Summilux and some high quality Kodak??? The early digital versions using CCD sensors supposedly looked filmic…📷🎞️ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ko.Fe. Posted January 21 Share #294 Posted January 21 7 minutes ago, Paulus said: No, I said it was off key. I did not say that I care about this recording. I did listen it once, I don’t have to listen to it any more. and further: What you can hear is what you have learned. It is done with your musical mind , not with your ears. You can learn to hear better, that’s what musicians learn: Trauning you mind/ ability. You can have eyes , but that would not mean that you can read Ullysses by James Joyce. Imagination (mind) is not limited to hearing. I don't need to learn anything to hear. Just as I don't need learning to see and imagine on top of it. I haven't seen Flash Gordon. I have listen to it dozens of times. I'm afraid what I have seen in my imagination is not as wild as in the movie And here is no "better" but freedom of imagination to be different. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted January 21 Share #295 Posted January 21 vor 11 Minuten schrieb Deeetona: I also read on on the the photo blogs, cant remember which one, that GenZ thinks that early digital cameras look like "film". So the coarse-pixel, off-colours photo in low res is supposed to look like something made with a R5, a 1980s Summilux and some high quality Kodak??? The M9 Monochrom maybe? The nice thing of the Monochrom still is, that you use it , like a film M. With red filters etc. Which you can use. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted January 21 Share #296 Posted January 21 vor 3 Minuten schrieb Ko.Fe.: Imagination (mind) is not limited to hearing. I don't need to learn anything to hear. Just as I don't need learning to see and imagine on top of it. I haven't seen Flash Gordon. I have listen to it dozens of times. I'm afraid what I have seen in my imagination is not as wild as in the movie And here is no "better" but freedom of imagination to be different. You need to learn to hear. If you want to get a perfect pitch. Maybe it’s only “ unveiling “ what is already there.” Be aware “ of what you hear. the same with photography. Maybe it’s allready in your mind how you make a perfect photo, but you have to get the awareness to learn to grab or get it. We all had to learn to see. There are some interesting documentaries about blind people who healed and had to lear to ser again i believe? I think Oliver Sachs wrote some stories about this also. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ko.Fe. Posted January 21 Share #297 Posted January 21 2 minutes ago, Paulus said: The M9 Monochrom maybe? The nice thing of the Monochrom still is, that you use it , like a film M. With red filters etc. Which you can use. Except bw film will allow huge interpretations on exposures. Even slides are not really bad. MM9 does not have this latitude for highlights. But M9 series exposure metering "accuracy" is helping to preserve highlights in most radial way. If it is tiny bright spot in the frame, my M-E 220 will expose to it while else will be in the dark. If I want to have it for sure, I'm more confident with same as my M4-2 way a.k.a. S16 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony MD Posted January 21 Author Share #298 Posted January 21 10 minutes ago, Paulus said: The M9 Monochrom maybe? The nice thing of the Monochrom still is, that you use it , like a film M. With red filters etc. Which you can use. Correct…🤓 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony MD Posted January 21 Author Share #299 Posted January 21 5 minutes ago, Paulus said: You need to learn to hear. If you want to get a perfect pitch. Maybe it’s only “ unveiling “ what is already there.” Be aware “ of what you hear. the same with photography. Maybe it’s allready in your mind how you make a perfect photo, but you have to get the awareness to learn to grab or get it. We all had to learn to see. There are some interesting documentaries about blind people who healed and had to lear to ser again i believe? I think Oliver Sachs wrote some stories about this also. I hear you and trying to understand…👂🤔 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ko.Fe. Posted January 21 Share #300 Posted January 21 2 minutes ago, Paulus said: You need to learn to hear. If you want to get a perfect pitch. Maybe it’s only “ unveiling “ what is already there.” Be aware “ of what you hear. the same with photography. Maybe it’s allready in your mind how you make a perfect photo, but you have to get the awareness to learn to grab or get it. We all had to learn to see. There are some interesting documentaries about blind people who healed and had to lear to ser again i believe? I think Oliver Sachs wrote some stories about this also. It is not as simple... Where I came from it is called as absolute hearing. Pitch is just a tiny technicality, if you have absolute hearing. I have it and to me it is not a blessing, but torture. I'm getting sick just by some whistler going wrong on the tune. It is very hard to be able to remember original music, voice and recognize bad copy of it within first few seconds. And if here is no escape from it.... it just a cruelty. And so on. Non-perfect pitch is my last problem. But if by "get" you mean to be able to play the pitch, I can't play anything. Just not my thing. Few are players, most are listeners. And most of listeners doesn't have absolute hearing.... I guess, they are not suffering from off-tune. I attended MOMa's "Seing through Photographs". It was nothing really new, just slightly different variations of imaginations among different people. Same "get" for photogaphy. If you have no gift in visual art, sure, take "perfect" photos. Rules are to be learned. But if you have gift in visual art and imagination, bad for you again. Because those "perfect" photos from perfect learners are just empty. Is it possible to learn surrealism? I don't know... Where are "perfect" photos for masses which are easy to digest by all. And where are photos not only with visual art values, but with content which might resonate only with very few viewers. To me it is HCB photos from his second visit to USSR. He was able to have messages in them. Because he was exposed to communists and to fascists. And his messages in those photos are clear to some who have been not in the freedom. Do the masses know what is really in those photos.... 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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