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22 hours ago, 250swb said:

...re-rosewood, Fender are using it again for fretboards but it isn’t Brazilian, but that is both a good and a bad thing, but mostly good.

As far as I have read from the Gibson Forum over the years Gibson stopped using BRW for their fretboards circa 1965-'66 and Fender did likewise in '66-'67 although I do know that Gibson has a stockpile of pre-embargo (i.e. legitamately sourced) BRW which they use from time to time on some of their very special releases. Not sure about Fender.

Most of the RW used by those companies these days (AFAIK) is Indian Rosewood.

It is still possible to buy legal BRW fingerboard blanks, however, and there are some specialist luthiers who will replace an existing 'board with BRW on demand.

Philip.

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On 1/17/2025 at 3:58 PM, pippy said:

My system is OK but hardly top-end audiophile quality but that didn't matter to him; only the actual performance mattered.

My mother is a classically trained pianist (Royal Academy). She knows nothing about Hi-Fi whatsoever, but listens to the performance. Its a bit like visually aware people looking at a photograph. What it was taken on is irrelevant (well unless it was obviously shot on an inadequate camera and lens - rare these days), its the image which is important to them. The equipment side of things is important to the photographer (logically so), rarely the viewer.

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54 minutes ago, pgk said:

My mother is a classically trained pianist (Royal Academy). She knows nothing about Hi-Fi whatsoever, but listens to the performance. Its a bit like visually aware people looking at a photograph. What it was taken on is irrelevant (well unless it was obviously shot on an inadequate camera and lens - rare these days), its the image which is important to them. The equipment side of things is important to the photographer (logically so), rarely the viewer.

I tend to think audiophiles would be disappointed going to see an orchestra play live, or in live recordings like the seminal ‘Cologne Concert’ by Keith Jarrett, imagine the definition they’ll enjoy of the grunts, huffs and puffs, and coughs. 

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48 minutes ago, 250swb said:

I tend to think audiophiles would be disappointed going to see an orchestra play live, or in live recordings like the seminal ‘Cologne Concert’ by Keith Jarrett, imagine the definition they’ll enjoy of the grunts, huffs and puffs, and coughs. 

The following is absolutely true.

Just after I had put my Quad 33 / 303 / FM3 with Spendor BC-1 system together my father, as he was passing my room, popped his head around the door-frame and asked why I had spent so much money on Hi-Fi when I was going to listen "to THAT?". It was Hendrix perfoming 'The Star Spangled Banner' at Woodstock.

I replied that "I can hear the feedback with greater clarity!"...

We both had a bit of a chuckle......😸......

Philip.

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58 minutes ago, pippy said:

The following is absolutely true.

Just after I had put my Quad 33 / 303 / FM3 with Spendor BC-1 system together my father, as he was passing my room, popped his head around the door-frame and asked why I had spent so much money on Hi-Fi when I was going to listen "to THAT?". It was Hendrix perfoming 'The Star Spangled Banner' at Woodstock.

I replied that "I can hear the feedback with greater clarity!"...

We both had a bit of a chuckle......😸......

Philip.

I'd be more than happy to use that system today!

 

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2 hours ago, Deeetona said:

Yes are all these "audiophiles" aware of the 99% digital production workflow of contemporary music ?

No idea.

But does the digital production workflow of contemporary music mean that the experience of listening to that sort of music isn't enhanced even were it to be heard through high-end Hi-Fi as opposed to mediocre gear?

I rather suspect that there would be more 'transparency' of the music's inherent sonic qualities which had been captured at every stage of production.

Back on-topic? Genuine Film or Pseudo-'Filmic-Look'?......😸......

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Philip.

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On 1/18/2025 at 4:51 PM, Anthony MD said:

I want an a la carte MD 262 with BRW instead of the leather…!

You might want to have a look in the 'Historica' sub-forum where, a few months ago, someone posted this picture of a "Leica II";

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Whaddyathink? Could YOU Rock That Look?......😸......

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2 hours ago, pippy said:

You might want to have a look in the 'Historica' sub-forum where, a few months ago, someone posted this picture of a "Leica II";

Whaddyathink? Could YOU Rock That Look?......😸......

Philip.

That’s what I’m talking about…🤓

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2 hours ago, pippy said:

You might want to have a look in the 'Historica' sub-forum where, a few months ago, someone posted this picture of a "Leica II";

Whaddyathink? Could YOU Rock That Look?......😸......

Philip.

I wood buy that …🪵

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8 hours ago, pippy said:

Whaddyathink? Could YOU Rock That Look?......😸......

I had assumed that the covering was Blue Peter style sticky back plastic, which is in keeping with the aesthetic of the rest of the camera.

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7 hours ago, Anthony MD said:

That’s what I’m talking about…🤓

Go For It with your M-D! What have you got to lose?......😸

1 hour ago, pgk said:

I had assumed that the covering was Blue Peter style sticky back plastic, which is in keeping with the aesthetic of the rest of the camera.

The funny thing is - and I'm not kidding here - had the perpetrator of that eyesore been content merely to replace the leatherette and leave the rest of the FED as-was when it left the factory it might have been quite an attractive proposition!

As far as it being sticky-back plastic? I hadn't considered that possibility. My first thought was that it was very fine veneer and the vertical orientation of the grain would also have played a part in my making that assumption. If it IS wood then the tactile experience might be rather pleasant. The same could not be said about S-B-Plastic.....

Philip.

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vor 16 Stunden schrieb pgk:

My mother is a classically trained pianist (Royal Academy). She knows nothing about Hi-Fi whatsoever, but listens to the performance. Its a bit like visually aware people looking at a photograph. What it was taken on is irrelevant (well unless it was obviously shot on an inadequate camera and lens - rare these days), its the image which is important to them. The equipment side of things is important to the photographer (logically so), rarely the viewer.

 

That is so true. Content beats form, always.  Of course, it's more fun to listen to good music on a good stereo than on a bad one.  But two other sentences are equally true. Even the best stereo in the world will make bad music into something worth listening to. And good music - well performed and with a musical message - will always be good music, even if it comes from a portable radio in mono. 


The same goes for photography: the best camera in the world won't turn a boring subject into an interesting one.

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2 minutes ago, Homo Faber said:

Even the best stereo in the world will make bad music into something worth listening to. 

Will NOT:-)

2 minutes ago, Homo Faber said:


The same goes for photography: the best camera in the world won't turn a boring subject into an interesting one.

 

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24 minutes ago, pippy said:

Go For It with your M-D! What have you got to lose?......😸

The funny thing is - and I'm not kidding here - had the perpetrator of that eyesore been content merely to replace the leatherette and leave the rest of the FED as-was when it left the factory it might have been quite an attractive proposition!

As far as it being sticky-back plastic? I hadn't considered that possibility. My first thought was that it was very fine veneer and the vertical orientation of the grain would also have played a part in my making that assumption. If it IS wood then the tactile experience might be rather pleasant. The same could not be said about S-B-Plastic.....

Philip.

The wooden body gives the photo more grain at lower ISO settings…🎞️

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9 minutes ago, Homo Faber said:

 

That is so true. Content beats form, always.  Of course, it's more fun to listen to good music on a good stereo than on a bad one.  But two other sentences are equally true. Even the best stereo in the world will make bad music into something worth listening to. And good music - well performed and with a musical message - will always be good music, even if it comes from a portable radio in mono. 


The same goes for photography: the best camera in the world won't turn a boring subject into an interesting one.

Unless the subject is about the best camera…🥸

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When it comes to music, I love to listen to late 1960s/early 1970s recordings. At that time mixing consoles such as EMI's TG12345  introduced transistors (replacing valve tubes) which led to a much more transparent sound. Mastering was still done by 1" reel to reel tape machines, adding pleasurable compression and "warmth".

1950s music sounds too harsh/grammophony to me. Steely Dan, on the other hand, perfectionized the "yacht rock" sound, which in my ears, is one of the most timeless sounds. With the arrival of PPG, Simmons, Fairlight CMI etc., a new kind of sound emerged, and when artists started to record direct to disk via Synclavier, and CDs came up, things changed dramaticallly.

Even the modern day wobbly Fender Rhodes from a sampler's library is not the real thing, it just artificially recreates something which sounds much better in irs original form.

And the same patters can be seen in photography. Maybe the golden years were the ones with black cameras clad in black vulcanite:-))))

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