Deeetona Posted January 15 Share #101 Posted January 15 Advertisement (gone after registration) On 1/13/2025 at 7:12 AM, DreiPunkte said: I try to take pictures that do not need cropping, perspective correction, reexposure, HDRI........ That is what I learned before Photoshop was gifted with layers and sharpening was done on the LAB chanel. It's the same as in using film but while shooting film you don't have that little help from your friends. Totally agree. When using my digital M bodies, I am trying to shoot film. No "bursts". Focus on that one right moment, getting the frame right. I only crop and adjust exposure when post-processing. Usually 1-2 mins per photo. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jjroroek Posted January 15 Share #102 Posted January 15 On 12/30/2024 at 11:44 AM, Anthony MD said: I listen to vinyl instead of CD. CD tends to be flat and harsh and can’t listen long without getting listening fatigue, go figure…! CDs are also old-fashioned. I only listen to good digital files. If you are over 50, that is more than enough because your hearing also decreases considerably. I have really tried to hear the differences between vinyl and digital, but there are 2 other things at play there. The quality of the medium (condition of the vinyl or quality of the digital file) and the quality of the recording. all the recording is dital so i wonder how vinyl fram a digital recording can be better 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 15 Share #103 Posted January 15 1 minute ago, jjroroek said: CDs are also old-fashioned. I only listen to good digital files. If you are over 50, that is more than enough because your hearing also decreases considerably. I have really tried to hear the differences between vinyl and digital, but there are 2 other things at play there. The quality of the medium (condition of the vinyl or quality of the digital file) and the quality of the recording. all the recording is dital so i wonder how vinyl fram a digital recording can be better https://www.thevinyladventure.com/product-tag/direct-cut-to-vinyl/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deeetona Posted January 15 Share #104 Posted January 15 Well you can steampunk cosplay and chase your digital files through some tube amplifiers. But does David Guetta's laptop music really sound better then? My "cutoff" date for music is somewhere in the late 1970s, when the whole workflow was still analog, although solid-state and non tube-based. Mastering was done on reel-to-reel recorders providing nice tape compression. Most "audiophiles" don't understand music production and are overly fixated on the "last mile". 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deeetona Posted January 15 Share #105 Posted January 15 Back to the OP's question. I find it poor to "replicate" any given style by means of tools or apps. Like those "lo-fi jazz" or "lo fi house" guys with their pitch-wobbling, tape-jitter Fender Rhodes. Create, don't replicate! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjroroek Posted January 15 Share #106 Posted January 15 the problem is that we can't deal with perfection because it reveals our own imperfection. So we always prefer a perception that is not perfect, whether that is sound or image it doesn't matter. So someone who states that the sound of vinyl is better is actually saying that that sound is more imperfect and therefore more bearable. The same applies for example to a digital recording with a beauty filter compared to a recording by Bresson. We also find the ideal son-in-law very annoying in the end 🙂 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreiPunkte Posted January 15 Share #107 Posted January 15 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) Why is there so little talk about photographed images in this context? Isn’t that the point of all! When you compare listening audio to taking pictures there is something wrong. you compare a way of consuming art with a way of creating art. Here we try to create pictures. Edited January 15 by DreiPunkte 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 15 Share #108 Posted January 15 Well, there are dozens of image threads and the technical forums are for tech-talk. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homo Faber Posted January 15 Share #109 Posted January 15 (edited) vor 1 Stunde schrieb jjroroek: CDs are also old-fashioned. I only listen to good digital files. If you are over 50, that is more than enough because your hearing also decreases considerably. I have really tried to hear the differences between vinyl and digital, but there are 2 other things at play there. The quality of the medium (condition of the vinyl or quality of the digital file) and the quality of the recording. all the recording is dital so i wonder how vinyl fram a digital recording can be better It is not true that all recording is digital today. There is still a lot of music recorded to tape. these days. Maybe not in HipHop, Rap or Techno but that is no proper music anyway, right? Beside that I really see no sense in opening another can of worms (vinyl against digital) here. Edited January 15 by Homo Faber Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony MD Posted January 15 Author Share #110 Posted January 15 (edited) 2 hours ago, jjroroek said: CDs are also old-fashioned. I only listen to good digital files. If you are over 50, that is more than enough because your hearing also decreases considerably. I have really tried to hear the differences between vinyl and digital, but there are 2 other things at play there. The quality of the medium (condition of the vinyl or quality of the digital file) and the quality of the recording. all the recording is dital so i wonder how vinyl fram a digital recording can be better My system consists of a turntable, tubed CD player, tubed pre amp and tubed power amp. Have a collection of audiophile LPs from the Golden Era, and a box set of RCA CDs containing the same recordings as some of the Golden Era RCA LPs I own. Comparing the same recordings of vinyl vs CD gives the LP the sound quality of warmth dimension of space that the CDs leave out…🎙️ Edited January 15 by Anthony MD Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony MD Posted January 15 Author Share #111 Posted January 15 1 hour ago, DreiPunkte said: Why is there so little talk about photographed images in this context? Isn’t that the point of all! When you compare listening audio to taking pictures there is something wrong. you compare a way of consuming art with a way of creating art. Here we try to create pictures. The point was to make a direct comparison between digital and film with examples from the vinyl and CD point of view…📷🎞️ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted January 15 Share #112 Posted January 15 1 hour ago, Deeetona said: Back to the OP's question. I find it poor to "replicate" any given style by means of tools or apps. Like those "lo-fi jazz" or "lo fi house" guys with their pitch-wobbling, tape-jitter Fender Rhodes. Create, don't replicate! So have you ever made a photograph that somebody would understand that doesn't resemble/replicate any other photograph? If you have we'd love to see it. Same really for music, how would it be made without prior knowledge of music? It is said there are only seven basic plotlines in stories/literature, but I don't think we'd call Shakespeare a copyist would we? And among others claiming the phrase Picasso once said 'good artists copy, but great artists steal', meaning whatever you copy you should make it your own, but you can't do that unless you say to yourself 'I like that, I'll take it and develop it'. So given somebody may not have a film camera should they be disbarred from exploring the aesthetic quality of film in how they edit the photograph? Let's face it, anybody who can recognise an aesthetic let alone replicate it is probably far advanced in terms of creativity than one who boasts they do as little as possible and are content with their JPEGs. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjroroek Posted January 15 Share #113 Posted January 15 Just now, Anthony MD said: My system consists of a turntable, tubed CD player, tubed pre amp and tubed power amp. Have a collection of audiophile LPs from the Golden Era, and a box set of RCA CDs containing the same recordings as some of the Golden Era RCA LPs I own. Comparing the same recordings of vinyl vs CD gives the LP the sound quality of warmth dimension of space that the CDs leave out…! 'Comparing the same recordings of vinyl vs CD gives the LP the sound quality of warmth' That is because of the lack of brightness. what you mean is the 'nostalgic feeling' of sound vs the perfection of modern media. pictures this: and old faschion recording method with needles and some engraving material. printing that engraved material to a plastic disk, again a needle on plastic to translate what was recordes . tubes in an aplifier that distort the sound. how should you get a perfect sound with that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony MD Posted January 15 Author Share #114 Posted January 15 1 hour ago, jjroroek said: 'Comparing the same recordings of vinyl vs CD gives the LP the sound quality of warmth' That is because of the lack of brightness. what you mean is the 'nostalgic feeling' of sound vs the perfection of modern media. pictures this: and old faschion recording method with needles and some engraving material. printing that engraved material to a plastic disk, again a needle on plastic to translate what was recordes . tubes in an aplifier that distort the sound. how should you get a perfect sound with that No, LPs sound more spacious, separation of instruments, and much less harsh with no listening fatigue I get from CDs…! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted January 15 Share #115 Posted January 15 (edited) vor 8 Stunden schrieb Anthony MD: No, LPs sound more spacious, separation of instruments, and much less harsh with no listening fatigue I get from CDs…! Maybe you need a better cd player? Edited January 15 by Paulus 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted January 15 Share #116 Posted January 15 A collegue today saw my “ portfolio” on my website and remarked that some of my black and white pictures looked really old, but some of them didn’t . There was not much time to elaborate, but her remark puzzeled me. Is this what we look for ? The classical picture which keeps it value through the ages and “ the modern digital camera “ prevents us from doing this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony MD Posted January 16 Author Share #117 Posted January 16 (edited) 2 hours ago, Paulus said: A collegue today saw my “ portfolio” on my website and remarked that some of my black and white pictures looked really old, but some of them didn’t . There was not much time to elaborate, but her remark puzzeled me. Is this what we look for ? The classical picture which keeps it value through the ages and “ the modern digital camera “ prevents us from doing this? It’s not that the modern digital camera prevents anything, in fact it helps us to rely on both formats…📷🎞️ Edited January 16 by Anthony MD Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony MD Posted January 16 Author Share #118 Posted January 16 (edited) 2 hours ago, Paulus said: Maybe you need a better cd player? I’ll stick to the audiophile records from the Golden Era. Would a better digital camera look like film…📷🎞️ Edited January 16 by Anthony MD Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony MD Posted January 16 Author Share #119 Posted January 16 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Anthony MD said: I’ll stick to the audiophile records from the Golden Era. Would a better digital camera look like film…📷🎞️ What I’ve learned as an audiophile is a record player uses a cartridge to retrieve information from vinyl grooves. There is motion in this process that causes separation, air and instruments in different spaces. Digital is incapable of this…🎙️ Edited January 16 by Anthony MD Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony MD Posted January 16 Author Share #120 Posted January 16 2 hours ago, Paulus said: Maybe you need a better cd player? Maybe a $25,000 + CD player would sound better but not worth it compared to an equivalent LP player…! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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