M9 as an investment? :D

[pippy]

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11 minutes ago, jaapv said:

Buy gold bars. Or Bitcoin.

Last time I had a look buying an ingot of gold was just outside my price range but perhaps I'm not quite as well-off as the majority of LeicaMen?...

Philip.

Edited December 19, 2024 by pippy

[Steadimann]

Will never spend a dime on crypto 😁

[pippy]

28 minutes ago, Al Brown said:

Gold is per gram. Everybody can afford small ingots, right?

Well I'm decidedly 'Old-School' so Gold is measured in Troy Ounces but, in any case, how many grammes in the smallest ingot you might have avilable?......😸......

Philip.

Edited December 19, 2024 by pippy

[pippy]

23 minutes ago, Al Brown said:

1g mini bar

Crumbs!!!

Philip.

[satijntje]

IMO, only those real limited editions with a numbering XXX out of YYY are interesting and possible good investments. 

[graphlex]

1 hour ago, Al Brown said:

Gold is per gram. Everybody can afford small ingots, right?

 

Costco in the US sells 1-ounce ‘bars’

[pgk]

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1 hour ago, pippy said:

Well I'm decidedly 'Old-School' so Gold is measured in Troy Ounces but, in any case, how many grammes in the smallest ingot you might have avilable?......😸......

Philip.

Gold Sovereigns are pretty 'old school' too. But gold's at a high at the moment so not a good time to buy.

[T25UFO]

4 hours ago, pippy said:

Personally? I consider myself to have been incredibly fortunate in having been able to acquire, on the 'Used Market', a Silver-Chrome M Monochrom with factory-applied 'Boysenberry Leather' covering. 'Pics on Request!'.....😸...

And I’m so glad it went to a good home 👍

[pippy]

1 hour ago, pgk said:

Gold Sovereigns are pretty 'old school' too. But gold's at a high at the moment so not a good time to buy.

Pheewww!!!

Thanks for the head's up!...

😸

Philip.

[pippy]

4 minutes ago, T25UFO said:

And I’m so glad it went to a good home 👍

Thank you for the kind comment. It is a sentiment which is reciprocated in full, I assure you.

P.

[Ko.Fe.]

Worse investment either. Just as it was mentioned, buy some never used special edition of M lens.

Collecting of digital cameras is nothing wrong, it just not an investment. 

[Steadimann]

So I guess i should just call it collecting then  

[3D-Kraft.com]

vor 15 Stunden schrieb pippy:

Having literally spent 20 seconds on a 'search' here's a Steel Grey M9 with replaced cover glass for £2,150;

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Leica-M9-Steel-Grey-18MP-Full-Frame-Digital-Camera-Kodak-CCD-No-Corrosion-3-Batt-/276664544463

Now; I know (through my own experience with sensor-cover-glass replacement for the aforementioned M9-P) that "replaced cover-glass" doesn't specify that the new replacement glass was with another v1 or a v2 but, honestly, M9 cameras here aren't too difficult to find for decent prices.

It says:

No corrosion

UV glass replaced

Shutter count Under 8K

Hot Shoe Damaged

So it is neither an ID15/ID16 sensor nor a kind of service that Leica provided (so they will propably never touch that camera, if it is sent to service). Also "UV glass replaced" sounds weird (or it was written by someone who has no clue), as there is no UV cover glass on the sensor. May be, he means the IR cut filter glass, but who knows...

A damaged hot shoe also does not sound very trustworthy.

So this is no camera that qualifies to compare with an M9 in working condition and with (official) ID15/ID16 sensor replacement.

Edited December 20, 2024 by 3D-Kraft.com

[pippy]

51 minutes ago, 3D-Kraft.com said:

...this is no camera that qualifies to compare with an M9 in working condition and with (official) ID15/ID16 sensor replacement...

Fine. As stated I spent no more than 20 seconds looking. This is a screenshot which I took of the Black M9 which was being advertised but sold before I could copy'n'paste the link. It was advertised by MPB which is the same (reputable) dealership which has the Monochrom shown in the earlier post;

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If you believe that it is necessary to pay between 3,000 and 4,000 Euros for a decent M9 with full guarantee then that's your prerogative; I couldn't possibly care less.

Philip.

[Rupert Greenwell]

I personally don't see a digital camera as an investment. Original / prototypes and special editions will appeal to collectors whether they are still working or not.

I have just bought and sent back a M9 Monochrom from a Leica dealer. The camera was in very good condition with the sensor replaced by Leica and a very low shutter count. 

The camera froze twice when I was going through the menu. It worked fine taking about 30 images. In Lightroom I noticed that the last image had 9 or 10 horizontal lines in a band running through the centre of the image. ( The camera wasn't being pushed, just snap shots ).

I tried another sd card but the camera refused to acknowledge it. The card worked fine in my other M9.

I have returned the camera plus the original sd card with the faulty image to the dealer. I have asked for a refund as the camera is now at an age where I would not be confident that it can be properly fixed. 

Regarding the batteries for the M9 / Monochrom the dealer said that at the moment no one is manufacturing them but they were hoping that a firm in Turkey may be interested.

 

[3D-Kraft.com]

vor 8 Minuten schrieb pippy:

This is a screenshot which I took of the Black M9 which was being advertised but sold before I could copy'n'paste the link. It was advertised by MPB which is the same (reputable) dealership which has the Monochrom shown in the earlier post;

Also the screen shot your posted from MPB does not mention that it has a replaced sensor - and I am sure that everyone would write that already in the title / head line.

I just looked at the (EU) MPB shop. There are currently 3 M9 offers with prices between 2329 and 2729 EUR. None of them mentions a replaced sensor so I assume they all still have the non-corrosion-free sensor. Looking at the photos, two of them already seem to be in a pretty poor condition ("well used"...).

vor 6 Minuten schrieb Rupert Greenwell:

Regarding the batteries for the M9 / Monochrom the dealer said that at the moment no one is manufacturing them but they were hoping that a firm in Turkey may be interested.

I assume, the dealer did only mention the situation for "original" batteries from Leica. If you look at platforms like ebay, you still find 3rd party offerings under several different labels. I bought one this year and this works good, but it may be some kind of lottery...

[Steadimann]

I have searched extensively, basically if you want to get M9 in good condition with replaced full sensor incl cover glass, or replaced only sensor cover glass (Which is the issue of corosion), it will cost at least 3k, perfect condition 5-10k shutter count go at 4000-4500 Eur

 

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vor 2 Stunden schrieb Steadimann:

I have searched extensively, basically if you want to get M9 in good condition with replaced full sensor incl cover glass, or replaced only sensor cover glass (Which is the issue of corosion), it will cost at least 3k, perfect condition 5-10k shutter count go at 4000-4500 Eur

I think there are also seasonal price fluctuations, typically the prices before X-mas are higher than usual.

I bought mine (with ID15 sensor) in May this year. It was offered on eBay for 2450 EUR (comparable offers were in the range between 2800 and 3500 EUR at that time) and at the end, 2300 EUR were accepted. But it was a "private" offer, so no return option, no dealer guarantee and from a seller with only a few and mixed reviews. The red Leica dot was amateurishly painted over with a black felt-tip pen, which is why the offer seemed risky and apparently not very trustworthy to many. Nevertheless, I was willing to take the risk. In the end, however, it turned out well, the camera was fully functional and in good condition and I was able to replace the red dot (they are offered "original" for 39 EUR). The "hidden menu" confirmed the sensor ID15 (which can only be set by Leica).

So if you are patient and willing to take a certain risk, you may be able to get an M9 with a replaced sensor around £2k. However, to me this does not seem to be the usual price at the moment and I expect prices for functioning copies with replaced sensor to continue to rise in the future.

Edited December 20, 2024 by 3D-Kraft.com

[Steadimann]

This is exactly what I am thinking... the more time goes by, the smaller number of units are available, especially with changed sensor and in good condition. Though then again, according to David Farkas CCD vs CMOS sensor great shootout, it seems like there is nothing extraordinary with CCD sensor except issues

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[3D-Kraft.com]

vor 53 Minuten schrieb Steadimann:

Though then again, according to David Farkas CCD vs CMOS sensor great shootout, it seems like there is nothing extraordinary with CCD sensor except issues

It's just a question about how much effort you will have to spend to get a look similar to that, what the M9 delivers out-of-cam.