Firmware update

[keithlaban.co.uk]

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1 hour ago, SrMi said:

Nope 😞

Is this a definitive "nope"?

[SrMi]

23 minutes ago, keithlaban.co.uk said:

Is this a definitive "nope"?

A true BBF disables focusing from the shutter button and allows focusing only with a function button. Even after the update, Q3 does not allow this.

The update has improved AF-L capabilities by not unlocking the focus when the shutter is pressed. The focus will still be unlocked when changing the aperture, exposure compensations, or pressing another button.

[keithlaban.co.uk]

1 hour ago, SrMi said:

A true BBF disables focusing from the shutter button and allows focusing only with a function button. Even after the update, Q3 does not allow this.

The update has improved AF-L capabilities by not unlocking the focus when the shutter is pressed. The focus will still be unlocked when changing the aperture, exposure compensations, or pressing another button.

So that's a yup then, as in how it works on my Z series cameras and every back button focusing capable camera out out there.

Why, Leica, why?

 

[MikeWanderings]

On 12/11/2024 at 4:47 PM, Le Chef said:

If the sensor and processor are the same then this seems a spurious claim. If both cameras were set up like for like, why would there be a difference?

It’s more likely a poor workman blaming his tools (namely the Q3 43) than a problem with the equipment. There are plenty of blogger “experts” who can’t be bothered to set up the camera properly and then just pontificate. It’s not just Leica but other camera companies too.

Re poor workman blaming his tools. You need to re-read what I posted. Regardless, the Q3 43 has a different lens and different focusing characteristics, hence its own firmware update. I just got off an hour long meeting with Leica Vienna where they explained the 3.0 update and the focusing issues it fixed in general and in particular on the Q3 43, low light focusing and tracking. I thought posting early info about update would be interesting but I will think twice in the future to avoid arrogant & ignorant comments.

[Phtoguyinthevalley]

Firmware update 3.0 seems to decrease start time when q3 43 is turned on.    Similarly it decreases start time from sleep.

[Trankster]

Mike  I appreciated your early alert and information on the Q3 update.  Thank you.  There are a lot of opinions and opinionated people on the forum, some helpful and some not so.  I follow the forum for useful information and shared user tips.

Edited December 13, 2024 by Trankster

[Le Chef]

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2 hours ago, MikeWanderings said:

Re poor workman blaming his tools. You need to re-read what I posted. Regardless, the Q3 43 has a different lens and different focusing characteristics, hence its own firmware update. I just got off an hour long meeting with Leica Vienna where they explained the 3.0 update and the focusing issues it fixed in general and in particular on the Q3 43, low light focusing and tracking. I thought posting early info about update would be interesting but I will think twice in the future to avoid arrogant & ignorant comments.

You missed the point completely, but that’s your choice.

[reynoldsyoung]

1 hour ago, Trankster said:

Mike  I appreciated your early alert and information on the Q3 update.  Thank you.  There are a lot of opinions and opinionated people on the forum, some helpful and some not so.  I follow the forum for useful information and shared user tips.

Trankster, I join you in setting the right tone of genuine interest and collaboration here on the forum.  Trading barbs and insisting upon being "the smartest person in the room" doesn't serve that goal at all.  I hope we can consider the right tone when we engage each other in the future.  And, a VERY Merry Christmas to you all and all the best for '25!

[CharlieC]

4 hours ago, MikeWanderings said:

Re poor workman blaming his tools. You need to re-read what I posted. Regardless, the Q3 43 has a different lens and different focusing characteristics, hence its own firmware update. I just got off an hour long meeting with Leica Vienna where they explained the 3.0 update and the focusing issues it fixed in general and in particular on the Q3 43, low light focusing and tracking. I thought posting early info about update would be interesting but I will think twice in the future to avoid arrogant & ignorant comments.

Thanks for posting this information.  Posts like this are very helpful for me and I appreciate the time and effort you have taken to pass the information on, please continue to share as I am sure that there are many others within the forum that share my point of view.

[Le Chef]

I’m much amused that a number of posters pile on while missing two essential points:

1) Why the need for two different versions of firmware if the sensor and processor are the same?

Answered - thank you.

2) A bad workman blames his tools:

As said before a number of social media “experts” obviously do not understand how to use this camera, so blame what they consider to be the camera’s “failure” rather than their own.

I might also add for the obviously sensitive and insecure souls here, none of these comments were aimed at them.

[MikeWanderings]

Thanks for the positive comments!

Little bit more insight from the chat with Leica Vienna. There are no plans for any more Q3 versions e.g. monochrome, but there should be more firmware updates!

[Le Chef]

Thanks Mike. 
I’m still curious about the difference between the two firmware packages.

Were the launch packages the same for both 328 and 343, or were they different from the start?

If they were different from the start, why not give them different nomenclature? So 328_02.50 and 343_01.0?

If they were different in what way does the firmware for 343 differ from 328?

And how does the new firmware for 343 differ from the launch firmware for 343 and why was it changed?

[Corius]

3 hours ago, Le Chef said:

Thanks Mike. 
I’m still curious about the difference between the two firmware packages.

Were the launch packages the same for both 328 and 343, or were they different from the start?

If they were different from the start, why not give them different nomenclature? So 328_02.50 and 343_01.0?

If they were different in what way does the firmware for 343 differ from 328?

And how does the new firmware for 343 differ from the launch firmware for 343 and why was it changed?

Although the core functionality for 28mm and 43mm is the same, Leica would create different FW for each camera. As a simple example, the lens correction data for the 28mm will be very different to the 43mm, so that will require different FW. Now, Leica could create a single FW load with separate lens correction maps for both cameras but that would mean a lot of memory space wasted on redundant code. Hence the need for two different loads, albeit with the same core functionality.

Regarding AF performance., it is heavily dependent on Lens design, including the focal length, the mass of the elements and also the Lens motor drive characteristics. It is quite possible, although not necessarily true, that the AF behaviour is slightly different between the 28mm and 43mm.

 

[Le Chef]

Understood. My follow up is why not be clear that the two firmware packages are different and give them different names?

And I would love to know why so early in the life of the Q343 that Leica felt the need to update the firmware.

[Corius]

52 minutes ago, Le Chef said:

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And I would love to know why so early in the life of the Q343 that Leica felt the need to update the firmware.

I'm guessing that Leica won't want to develop, test and release FW for the two variants at different times, that would be too expensive. So it may be that this version was part of the regular release cadence for the Q3 28 that now also benefits the 43mm. I don't think any of the features are essential bug fixes for the Q3 43 so it's not an emergency release.

[SrMi]

1 hour ago, Le Chef said:

Understood. My follow up is why not be clear that the two firmware packages are different and give them different names?

And I would love to know why so early in the life of the Q343 that Leica felt the need to update the firmware.

I think Leica wants to synchronize Q3 28 and 43  firmware updates, and the 3.0.0 was not ready when the 43 was launched.

[LocalHero1953]

The firmware for a new camera is probably finalised well before launch date so they can be sure it is stable at launch. They likely keep working on a new version before launch and so can release it as soon as convenient. I’m sure I can recall it happening with other new cameras. 

[Simone_DF]

3 hours ago, Le Chef said:

And I would love to know why so early in the life of the Q343 that Leica felt the need to update the firmware.

Day 1 firmware updates has become the norm. Software has to be finalised by a certain date, allocating time for the SKU’s to be produced, packaged, shipped. The deadline is usually 1 month before the release, but it can vary depending on various factors - production capacity etc

So as long as firmware is “good enough” for day one, that’s the one it will be released, but in the meantime developers keep working on the first update that is generally aimed at fixing the most glaring issues that for one reason or another didn’t make it into the firmware. 

[Ivan M]

If i reset my Q3 to factory settings will i lose my 3.0 FIRMWARE? I want to reset but i do NOT want to lose my latest firmware, thanks in advance. 

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[luetz]

2 hours ago, Ivan M said:

If i reset my Q3 to factory settings will i lose my 3.0 FIRMWARE? I want to reset but i do NOT want to lose my latest firmware, thanks in advance. 

NO.....