During M11 photo review mode, shutter button does nothing (should exit the mode)

[lct]

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18 minutes ago, nek724 said:

[...] Today I took out the camera to review the shots, and when I turn on the camera, it didn't turn on. I turned it off and tired again, and nothing, then I half pressed the shutter button and it turned on. Tried all combination and I've noticed that it's all by random, but sometimes it doesn't turn on, sometimes it does. Sometimes it takes longer, sometimes I would click menu (or play, FN, D-pad button) and it would turn on, or that could just be coincidence timing. It's like if I switch on and it goes directly to sleep or something. Is this just happening to me???

Happened to me randomly before FW 2.1.3. Half pressing the shutter button and/or toggling LV on/off sufficed to fix the issue, don't ask me why. BTW as you were asking, Leica recommends UHS-II SD cards.

[nek724]

19 minutes ago, lct said:

Leica recommends UHS-II SD cards.

Yeah, I knew that. Just that I'm out here in France now, and this is off topic, but tech is just stupid expensive especially UHS-II cards so I went with the UHS-I. But just checked on B&H, new version of the UHS-II is coming. The basic 256gb UHS-II is decently priced. I think I could get away with it so I don't pay duty fees shipping it out here. Because I tell ya, shipping to here isn't cheap, and if your value is high, it's not funny when you'll have to fork up another 100+ euros to pick it up.

Edited November 18, 2024 by nek724

[lct]

I used to use some UHS-I cards in the past but my current ones are only UHS-II (Delkin, ProGrade, Sandisk) I even use another UHS-II card that caused freezes when i bought my M11 in 2022, a Sony "Tough" 64gb card. FWIW.

[pedaes]

1 hour ago, nek724 said:

feel the shutter slap confirming that it's ON

Yes, agree, just tried mine. I suspect Leica will ask you to send camera to them. Good luck with it and hope it's fixed soon!

[pedaes]

42 minutes ago, lct said:

UHS-I cards in the past

FWIW, the May-June issue of LFI tested eleven SD cards in all the current Leica cameras. For the M11 they said " For single shots, we barely noticed any difference between our UHS-I and UHS-II cards thanks to the cameras large buffer". 

[lct]

There are certainly reasons not to follow Leica's recommendations. One that I will try at my peril is the use of a Summicron 50/2 "dual range" on the M11. Now, given the freezing problems encountered by the M11 in the past, I prefer to follow Leica's recommendations concerning SD cards.. YMMV.

Edited November 18, 2024 by lct

[nek724]

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48 minutes ago, pedaes said:

For single shots, we barely noticed any difference between our UHS-I and UHS-II cards thanks to the cameras large buffer. 

Yeah, I never hold down the shutter so I wasn't so worried about the SD card being a tat slower. But if you're telling me UHS-I would cause problems then I'd of course avoid it.

 

1 hour ago, pedaes said:

Good luck with it and hope it's fixed soon!

Just tried turning on/off with my M11 just now. With about 10 seconds pause before I turn on again, and out of six attempts, all turned on successfully. Fyi, battery is at 80%. I'm starting to think this mornings attempt was a dream 🤔?  But seriously, maybe something to do with electrical contacts to the battery? What doesn't help is there's always firmware update, which sounds great, but you still find people sound it off on the forum about other issues. But, it also could be individual problems too.

Edited November 18, 2024 by nek724

[nek724]

7 minutes ago, lct said:

... I prefer to follow Leica's recommendations concerning SD cards.. YMMV.

Yeah, I might give it a try, to stay on the safe side.

[aficionados]

4 hours ago, nek724 said:

New day, and discovered something strange about my M11.

 

Yesterday I did some shooting and that was that. Today I took out the camera to review the shots, and when I turn on the camera, it didn't turn on. I turned it off and tired again, and nothing, then I half pressed the shutter button and it turned on. Tried all combination and I've noticed that it's all by random, but sometimes it doesn't turn on, sometimes it does. Sometimes it takes longer, sometimes I would click menu (or play, FN, D-pad button) and it would turn on, or that could just be coincidence timing. It's like if I switch on and it goes directly to sleep or something. Is this just happening to me???

It happened to me as well. Turning on the camera with switch, nothing happened. I didn't hear the "stapler" sound to indicate the shutter is open. The frameline is not lit up either.

Half pressing the shutter button makes everything back to normal. It feels like the camera was awaken from sleep mode.

It has nothing to do with SD card, it only happens to non-coded lens.

 

Edited November 18, 2024 by aficionados

[nek724]

4 minutes ago, aficionados said:

It happened to me as well. Turning on the camera with switch, nothing happened. I didn't hear the "stapler" sound to indicate the shutter is open. The frameline is not lit up either.

Half pressing the shutter button makes everything back to normal. It feels like the camera was awaken from sleep mode.

It has nothing to do with SD card, it only happens to non-coded lens.

Ah, I see. Yes, I am using my 50/2 IV which has not been coded. So strange it does this!

[aficionados]

5 minutes ago, nek724 said:

Ah, I see. Yes, I am using my 50/2 IV which has not been coded. So strange it does this!

I first discovered this phenomenon a few weeks ago when I mounted an un-coded lens. Since then I did some extensive testing, and I can almost confirmed that this is the cause. I have 4 or 5 uncoded lenses from VC and LLL, and another 4 or 4 coded Leica lenses. I can kind of reproduce this bug almost consistently.

SD card or not, it;s unrelated to this. It's mostly related to freeze.

 

[nek724]

1 hour ago, aficionados said:

I first discovered this phenomenon a few weeks ago when I mounted an un-coded lens. Since then I did some extensive testing, and I can almost confirmed that this is the cause. I have 4 or 5 uncoded lenses from VC and LLL, and another 4 or 4 coded Leica lenses. I can kind of reproduce this bug almost consistently.

SD card or not, it;s unrelated to this. It's mostly related to freeze.

 

They should allow us to manually choose.. which they do, but choose and done, but probably the system is still trying to determine something which gets it stuck? It's too bad not every repair shop can help you install the code. Right now, I'm not willing to fork up few hundreds just to add it.

 

 

[Derbyshire Man]

It's something which has crept in I think since later firmware. As I typically leave the camera on standby I have become so engrained with half pressing the shutter I do it automatically now regardless of whether turning on or not.

[aficionados]

1 hour ago, Derbyshire Man said:

It's something which has crept in I think since later firmware. As I typically leave the camera on standby I have become so engrained with half pressing the shutter I do it automatically now regardless of whether turning on or not.

I think this bug has been introduced since the dust-protection on/off feature is introduced in the firmware.

The camera tries to turn off the shutter when it couldn't detect a lens (or a coded lens in this case). But the camera still does that even when the dust-protection is off.

[nek724]

5 hours ago, aficionados said:

I think this bug has been introduced since the dust-protection on/off feature is introduced in the firmware.

The camera tries to turn off the shutter when it couldn't detect a lens (or a coded lens in this case). But the camera still does that even when the dust-protection is off.

Interesting. Hopefully Leica is aware of all these and fix everything. They really need to up their game in the tech department.