M11-D re-setting itself ???

[Smudgerer]

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Just returned from a week's trip with the M11-D and downloading the files for the first time into my Mac I noticed that the DNG file size setting had changed, normally I am shooting this camera at 18mps but the last 30% of the files shot were at full resolution, +60mps which was odd because I never connected the M11-D to Fotos all week, ( didn't have the iPad with me to do that and I don't use an iPhone / smart 'phone ), and never viewed anything prior to my return home.

On checking the camera this morning through Fotos / iPad I note that other settings had changed too, as near as I can guess back to "factory" settings, huh?

Could I have changed the file size setting somehow "in/on camera"?..........If that's possible that would be a wonderful discovery / facility but somehow I doubt it being so.

On another note, I primarily work in B&W and generally convert colour shots to B&W in post but with this first look through the mix of shot files I find myself being extremely impressed with the colour science of this camera, the files are very "true to life" as seen / remembered when taking the shots, skin tones are perfect without tweaking, ( camera set to Daylight WB as a preferred setting, but that too switched to AWB ??? ), all a nice surprise but not enough yet to drag me from the monochrome to the colour world.

 

**** UPDATE. On reading another thread I note that some people with the newest firmware are having a slight problem with the M11 when using un-coded lenses and as in fact I started off the week with the 35mm Summilux SR firmly bolted on the camera and there it sat there for the majority of the snaps other than a few shots when I used my Voigtlander 50mm 1.5 Nokton Classic, so I'm wondering if this could be a cause of the switch to factory settings and if so would turning off the lens code reader negate this oddity happening? I will try that later today.

 

Edited November 11, 2024 by Smudgerer

[Smudgerer]

Ok, answering my own question here, at least to some degree.........

I notice that on reviewing the shots taken the camera does revert to the high MP setting when a non-coded lens is attached and at least in my case it stays at the higher MP setting even when the coded lens is re-mounted again, ( as said above the two lenses in question were the Summilux 35 SR re-issue and the Voigtlander Nokton 50mm 1.5, the only two lenses I had with me all week ). When attaching a non-coded lens I do not select a Leica equivalent lens as I cannot do so when away from a Fotos connection.

I'd be interested if any other M11-D users see the same effect.

[J S H]

That is odd indeed. I don't have any experience with the M11-D, but plenty with the M11. I suspect it's not a reset of the camera settings, but rather an indication that it has reverted to the default user profile, which would explain the full size DNG files.

Had you previously selected a Leica 50mm lens code to use with the Voigtlander lens? Usually, when switching from a coded to non coded lens, it recalls the last selected lens code - however a reset or change of the user profile could possibly alter that behavior. Did the EXIF match for all of the 50mm shots? 

[Smudgerer]

5 minutes ago, J S H said:

That is odd indeed. I don't have any experience with the M11-D, but plenty with the M11. I suspect it's not a reset of the camera settings, but rather an indication that it has reverted to the default user profile, which would explain the full size DNG files.

Had you previously selected a Leica 50mm lens code to use with the Voigtlander lens? Usually, when switching from a coded to non coded lens, it recalls the last selected lens code - however a reset or change of the user profile could possibly alter that behavior. Did the EXIF match for all of the 50mm shots? 

Hello and thanks JSH.......Earlier I tested this again setting the choice of a Summilux 50mm 1.4 for the un-coded Voigtlander Nokton 50mm and it held that with my set-up choices until I switched the two lenses again, ( Voigtlander Nokton 50 to Summilux 35 SR ), and when the Summilux 35 SR was back on the camera the settings reverted to the 60mp setting plus the WB, "sleep", ASA setting preferences, and exposure method choices went back to "factory", ( ie: WB Auto and multi-field Exposure etc etc ), bizarrely it "remembers" the choice of Summilux 50 for the un-coded Nokton though. I haven't yet tried this dance with 6-bit coding turned off on the camera, but will.

All a bit odd and inconvenient as I only have a couple of Leica 6 bit coded lenses the rest being old Leica glass and some VM's but primarily the camera has the Summilux SR bolted on it most of the time so it's not a big deal, yet.

[J S H]

Yes, I agree that the non coded lenses are a hassle, that's what most of mine are as well. Based on the peculiar behavior of your camera (and also considering the additional complexities of the M11-D), I would truthfully recommend that you do a full reset and rebuild any user profiles, just to get a baseline. I've done that for each of the newer firmware versions and it has solved any and all problems. 

[Smudgerer]

35 minutes ago, J S H said:

Yes, I agree that the non coded lenses are a hassle, that's what most of mine are as well. Based on the peculiar behavior of your camera (and also considering the additional complexities of the M11-D), I would truthfully recommend that you do a full reset and rebuild any user profiles, just to get a baseline. I've done that for each of the newer firmware versions and it has solved any and all problems. 

Thanks again JSH, yes did did the full re-set before I bugged others here with my post when it still behaved the same.......It's something I can live with as I really do not switch out lenses very often but at the same time I'd love to know if there's a reason for this or a good work-around.

I don't really care if a lens is recognised by/via the 6-bit coding as I have yet to see any corrections made that are meaningful to me and the EXIF info' isn't important either but I will tomorrow try with the 6-bit settings turned off and see if that works.

PS. All that stuff aside, and even coming from years of ownership of a M10-D I really do like the M11-D, it's the adult version of the M10-D for me and the sensor's output is truly a beautiful thing.

Edited November 11, 2024 by Smudgerer

[J S H]

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Ah, sorry I didn't realize you had already tried the reset. I'm not sure if after the reset is when you chose the 50mm profile for the Voigtlander? One thing I'll tell you - after a full reset, if you don't ever select a lens code to apply to the uncoded lens, it will always default to uncoded with any uncoded lens (rather than the last used code). I don't know if this would make a difference in your case, but might be worth exploring, since you aren't worried about the Exif. 

[lct]

Pen coding your Nokton and/or setting up a user profile would fix those problems i suspect.

[Derbyshire Man]

Maybe it's just mine (if so I'm going back to the shop) but the M11D doesn't have user profiles.

We have suggested that it gets user profiles as this would be an answer to issues like this and those who want to either be able to switch between electronic/mechanical shutter, AWB/daylight, single shot/fast, etc, and still be able to manage the change in camera. It is against the ethos however and therefore will alarm the ethos police.

[Smudgerer]

3 minutes ago, Derbyshire Man said:

Maybe it's just mine (if so I'm going back to the shop) but the M11D doesn't have user profiles.

We have suggested that it gets user profiles as this would be an answer to issues like this and those who want to either be able to switch between electronic/mechanical shutter, AWB/daylight, single shot/fast, etc, and still be able to manage the change in camera. It is against the ethos however and therefore will alarm the ethos police.

Yes of course you are right, it's just one's preferred set-up that you do through Fotos..............And agreed wouldn't that be nice to be able to create and store different profiles as per other Leica M's, however I do believe that what we have with the camera now is what we have got, I do not believe Leica will or are able to make any real changes or add any meaningful feature options down the road, what we have is baked in I am certain..............But I am up for being proved wrong!

[Derbyshire Man]

1 minute ago, Smudgerer said:

Yes of course you are right, it's just one's preferred set-up that you do through Fotos..............And agreed wouldn't that be nice to be able to create and store different profiles as per other Leica M's, however I do believe that what we have with the camera now is what we have got, I do not believe Leica will or are able to make any real changes or add any meaningful feature options down the road, what we have is baked in I am certain..............But I am up for being proved wrong!

Just by saying that out loud you've probably made it slightly less likely🤣

They absolutely must!

There we go, back to neutral again😂

[lct]

I did not know the M11D doesn't have user profiles sorry but i would pen code the Nokton anyway. Mine is pen coded as Summilux 50/1.4 pre-asph so that when i mount it the camera recognizes it automatically as such and when i mount my Summilux 50/1.4 asph instead the camera knows it is the Karbe lens, at last, not a faux Mandler 😉

 

[Derbyshire Man]

Just now, lct said:

I did not know the M11D doesn't have user profiles sorry but i would pen code the Nokton anyway. Mine is pen coded as Summilux 50/1.4 pre-asph so that when i mount it the camera recognizes it automatically as such and when i mount my Summilux 50/1.4 asph instead the camera knows it is the Karbe lens, at last, not a faux Mandler 😉

 

Yes, I've pen coded all of mine and it certainly makes it more pleasurable to use and I suspect more reliable!

[Smudgerer]

Just now, lct said:

I did not know the M11D doesn't have user profiles sorry but i would pen code the Nokton anyway. Mine is pen coded as Summilux 50/1.4 pre-asph so that when i mount it the camera recognizes it automatically as such and when i mount my Summilux 50/1.4 asph instead the camera knows it is the Karbe lens, at last, not a faux Mandler 😉

 

Yes lct, the M11-D is a weird thing in a few ways when you try to compare it with the M11's in that family............But then so were the M10-D's and the M-D 262's, weird but quite woderful if you like that kinda thing

[lct]

1 minute ago, Smudgerer said:

Yes lct, the M11-D is a weird thing in a few ways when you try to compare it with the M11's in that family............But then so were the M10-D's and the M-D 262's, weird but quite woderful if you like that kinda thing

I can understand that but the M11 is not the most simple M camera ever made yet the M11-D looks even more complicated.

[Smudgerer]

3 minutes ago, Derbyshire Man said:

Yes, I've pen coded all of mine and it certainly makes it more pleasurable to use and I suspect more reliable!

I'm going to give that a whirl..........That might solve the issue if I can code the lens successfully. As said I don't rely on or use coding on non-Leica lenses normally but this might make the 11-D happier if it works.

I sold my relatively new Summilux 50 1.4 recently after trying out the VM Nokton Classic 50 1.5 and not only liking the results but also the more compact sizing of the VM prompted me to let the 'Lux go.

[Smudgerer]

6 minutes ago, lct said:

I can understand that but the M11 is not the most simple M camera ever made yet the M11-D looks even more complicated.

Yes and no............Rather like my late lamented M10-D if you can find a set-up you can work with most of the time you can ignore all that Fotos set-up/review nonsense as I did with the M10-D and as I am trying to get to with the M11-D then it's a joy. It's a niche camera of course but if it suits your style of working it's a wonderful thing.

Edited November 11, 2024 by Smudgerer

[lct]

1 minute ago, Smudgerer said:

[...] if it suits your style of working it's a wonderful thing [...]

It definitely doesn't but i'm glad it works for you 😎

[maxpower]

May I also recommend asking Leica support, if you haven't already. It sounds very odd if it resets the MP size (and you mentioned other settings as well?) for an uncoded lens.. I don't have any uncoded lenses to try it myself, but I would personally be curious what they would have to say about this as well. (and if you do, please share any results with us!) 

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[Smudgerer]

41 minutes ago, maxpower said:

May I also recommend asking Leica support, if you haven't already. It sounds very odd if it resets the MP size (and you mentioned other settings as well?) for an uncoded lens.. I don't have any uncoded lenses to try it myself, but I would personally be curious what they would have to say about this as well. (and if you do, please share any results with us!) 

Thanks Maxpower, will do.............yes re-setting settings is a bit of a PITA particulary as I do not carry an iPhone or iPad around with me and only realise things have changed when I download off the SD card to my Mac. I will post any response I get to my query with Leica Support, though they may well tell me to re-buy the Summilx 50mm as a solution!